Good luck Steven.
Tony
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Ignore this, cool project though. Did u get the male Rosseyanka from Cliff?
I have several hybrid males growing. Different lineages to use for different breeding aims, most are from Rosseyanka but some are from JT-02, though those are still young.
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Why does nobody cross the hybrids back to American persimmons? Are the hybrids only compatible with Kaki? Does anyone know the ploidy and chromosome count on the current hybrids out?
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I’ll only speak for myself here. I’m interested in the cold hardiness and richness of American persimmon fruit but in a smaller tree with larger fruit – traits that come from kaki. But most male hybrids, which you need to pollinate known kaki or American females, have less kaki in them then American, since most of those males are offspring of rosseyanka back crossed to American. So crossing back to kaki is going to get a truer hybrid whereas crossing back to American is going to get you something that’s mostly American. That’s how I see it, anyway.
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This is all knowledge I’ve gained from listening to people like Jerry Lehman. But this was covered in another thread.
Scroll down to post 33ish.
I am not sure about D. lotus
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England Nursery is offering another Hybrid persimmon called David’s Kandy. Cold hardy and late ripening in Kentucky. The fruits hung till Christmas. I think Cousin Floyd is looking for this late one. Cliff said it tastes like a good Kaki.
Tony
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Those sure look soft and good tony. I need to get me some rootstock growing
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Derby,
You should grow the JT-02 Hybrid. A very Small tree. Very easy to harvest. Very good tasting. Here is the photo from Cliff.
Tony
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Tony is that just grown in-ground? Been considering JT, hate to stake anything in a yard but we also get colder than you–a couple days below -20 this winter…that could make a nice tub tree to dolly into the garage every november, in a 30-gal planter…
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Two of my trees are in-ground. Since it is a small tree then grow in a tub should be good.
Tony
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I guess JT goes onto my scion exchange want list…
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Tony,
I’m in zone 7a or 6b depending on which website I check and interested in planting a non-astringent persimmon. Let’s assume I am in 6b. I have two astringent trees already; one is chocolate and I have no idea what the other is. I am curious to know how your grafted Tam Kam is doing in your zone 5. From what I read, Tam Kam, Chinebuli, Maekawa Jiro, and Ichi Ki Kei Jiro are probably my best bets for cold hardy non-astringent types. If you have experience or recommendations, I would be most grateful. Thank you
I have a corny question about fall foliage. Which of these have the prettiest fall foliage: Tam Kam, Chinebuli, or Ichi Ki Kei Jiro? Which is the best for consistently producing fruit? If anyone has taste preferences between these, I would love to know your thoughts. Thanks very much.
My in ground Tam Kam graft died with the temperature of -12 F. I also bark grafted 4 Tam Kam scions from UC Davis 3 years ago and potted them up. All four had flowers this year’s for the first time and I am not sure if they will hold on to the fruits or drop them by mid June.
Tony
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Thank you. Good luck with the potted plants. If the fruit develop, would love to see a picture. Best, Giovanni
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Out of those you mention, Chinebuli might be the most cold hardy. I know it didn’t do so well for Cliff England this past winter. Chinebuli would also be the hardest to find. I haven’t tried the three, so I can’t offer my opinion on taste…
Is Chocolate astringent? I thought it was a non-astringent, a self-pollinating PVNA?
