Well, I finally decided to succumb to the Mulberry growing, and have ordered a 'Black Beauty' and a 'Noir de Spain'. I ordered from Whitman Farms. They happened to have both available (only 'Noir de Spain' and 'James II' show up on their site, but Lucille did tell me she had 'Black Beauty' as well, so I was able to add that to my order), so I'm hoping that is what they truly are. Whitman is a Top 5 Dave's Watchdog nursery, http://www.whitmanfarms.com/ , and Lucille I guess is a real mulberry expert. So, hopefully, they're arrive in good shape, and do well here, and be what I expect them to be, cultivar-wise. We're top Morus nigra growing conditions here in Vista, so very excited to have them in my garden. I remember Muberries fondly as a kid growing up in Fullerton. We had a neighbor that had a huge Mours nigra growing on the corner of their lot. We'd swipe the mulberries and eat them until we couldn't eat any more, then start throwing them at each other because they would stain clothes so badly. Sort of an early '60's version of paintball, lol!! Man, would I get into trouble coming home with all those purple-red stains! Hoping I can keep them pruned down to a reasonable height. I think 'Black Beauty' stays relatively low - 15' or so, hoping 'Noir de Spain' isn't a huge, huge Morus.