" how do you protect your canes in the winter? left mine out and they winter killed to the snow line everytime."
I have a very overkill system. First I cut the canes back to about 3 or 4 feet. Then I put styrofoam blocks around the canes. Next I put polymedia in a big mound over that all. The styrofoam (about 1’ cubes) and the polymedia (sheets of some 1" thick fluffy stuff for making sound speakers) I was fortunate to find on Craigslist. They protect fairly well, with some canes surviving and others freezing at ground level, but the fall berries ripen too late. I get a few tasty teasers, but they are loaded with green berries and even blossoms when frost hits. I plan to just keep a few, but get rid of the rest.