7a-8b The Carolinas, southern Virginia, southern Illinois and northern Georgia/AL/MS

Grafting vinifera grapes on a resistant Rootstock is critical for long term protection against phylloxera in most regions of the world, including the eastern USA, if we are talking on a vineyard scale. If we are talking on a backyard scale, phylloxera susceptible varieties will sometimes do fine for many years, especially in soil that has never been previously planted to grapes. It’s a roll of the dice however. Some other things Rootstocks can provide in grape is adaptation to different soil types, calcareous soils vs. acidic, nematode resistance in some rootstocks, drought tolerance, some degree of vigour control, etc.

Rootstocks will do nothing to control fungal pathogens or pierces disease however, as those are not soil borne problems.

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Hey all… I am located in southern middle TN… zone 7b… just one county north of the TN/AL line.

I am looking for an everbearing strawberry that is capable of thriving in the hot humid south and produces a decent strawberry.

The last couple years I tried Earli Glow here and they made some very tasty and early strawberries… but they also got the brown funk and most of them died by year 3.

Especially interested in what has worked well for folks in northern MS AL GA… since I am not that far from you all.

Thanks
TNHunter

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It’s hard for me to comment clearly because I don’t get to eat mine ever (pillbugs, robins and mockingbirds/catbirds beat me to them) but I have : sweet Charlie and Camarosa (among a few others which haven’t been as productive) which both produce well and taste great (the handful I’ve been able to beat the prior culprits to).

I don’t net or spray or put plastic down etc. I think in another year there will be enough to share. Though they don’t seem keen on sharing with me.

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I asked the question (best strawberries for SE) to google and got this back…

In the southeastern United States, [short-day strawberry varieties] Chandler and Camarosa are well-suited for growing in the home garden. These varieties typically produce their fruit in the spring and early summer. Other popular vaeieties detailed below.

Chandler

A popular choice for both commercial and home gardens, known for its high yield, large fruit, and good flavor. It’s particularly well-suited for the hill system of planting.

Camarosa

Another excellent choice for the Southeast, known for its long-lasting production, large fruit, and firm texture. It’s also well-suited for the hill system.

Sweet Charlie

A vigorous plant that produces early-season fruit, with good flavor and a relatively short growing time.

Festival

A popular choice for Florida, known for its high yields and flavorful berries.

Has anyone tried Chandler ?

It seems to come up first in the list for SE strawberries quite often.

Eversweet is a variety that I have that has been the most productive as far as truly being everbearing… when others stop because of the heat… it keeps going… it has ripened fruit in Sept and October here.

Most everbearing strawberries seem to produce in the spring and early summer only.

I may add some Chandler and more Eversweet next spring.

TNHunter

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These are pontentially winter strawberries, especially any reccomended as being grown in Florida. Our strawberry season (for commercial) is October to March, so we need short or day neutral varieties.

Not saying that they are, I would just double check their flowering times if you are looking for summer strawberries.

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After doing more reading on Chandler… it is a June bearer… has a lot of good qualities… but is succeptable to several common strawberry diseases. I expect they would end up just like early glow did here… diseased and dead in short order.

Winners for me in East TN:

Sweet Scarlet goumi
Earliglow strawberry
white soul alpine strawberry
Kanza pecan
legacy blueberry
Chicago Hardy fig
Seedless Che
Japanese haskap (honeyberry)
Joan J raspberry
Sugar Cane & So Contorted jujubes

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Pine Nuts

Hello Everyone. I’m interested in growing pine trees for pine nut production. Anyone in Southern Virginia / Carolinas successful growing any? What type of pine? How long have they been in the ground?

I’m in Martinsville, Virginia.

Thanks
Dean

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Hey, y’all! We’re putting together a group order for bare root fruit trees. If you’re in central or north-central NC or south-central VA, please feel free to take part. The thread is over here. I hope we’ll hear from you. Have a great day!
Sunshine
Aldergrove Farm
Roxboro, NC

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I think this is my regional chat but there was no mention of southern Illinois (zone 7a) in the title, so I fixed it. Its ok though, we Illinoisians are use to it. Actually I consider myself more of Osarkian than a Illinoisians anyways, so it’s all good.

Hope all ya’ll are getting along good.

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What stone fruit rootstock do you prefer for red clay country?

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At least for peaches, I was told Lovell and Halford are good rootstocks in red clay… But since I don’t do my own grafting, I pretty much go with whatever the nursery sends me, and I haven’t had any issues yet. That said, I do take some precautionary measures: I amend very thoroughly with leaf mulch a couple weeks before planting and mound the planting up a couple inches instead of planting level.

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Anyone growing Giboshi asian astringent persimmon in this regional group ?

PS… i am located in southern middle TN not far from the AL state line.

Notes I have made about it… by reading this site and others.

It is PVNA type…but still taste very good when unpollinated and eaten soft.

Has a good cold hardiness reputation.

Fruit is a little larger than Saijo.

Taste very very good, excellent taste without pollination.

From a grower in NC … has very rich flavor, strong note of vanilla.

Productive smaller tree, ripens around halloween in NC. Seedless fruit for him.

(cousinfloyd) stated that his fruited 2 years after grafting. Evidently he is no longer an active member here.

I absolutely love rich tasting persimmons, especially with taste of vanilla.

Do any of you have Giboshi ?

Has your experience with it been similar to what I found above ? Or different in some way ?

Any details you can provide will be appreciated.

TNHunter

Ive had good luck with early glow and chandler in east central AL. But i killed off all of the mother plants and replanted the row with the babies every year around sept-oct. The would grow like crazy over the fall and winter and fruit heavily in the spring. Maybe you are too far north for that but it definitely keeps disease to a minimum. By sept, the mother plants look rough or are already dying off.

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@barry … that was my experience with earli glow… they grew great, large and healthy… until late summer, fall… then started turning brown and rotted.

Late summer mine had grown well enough that I let each mother plant establish a runner plant.

Then most of those mother plants died off… and the runners that established… produced a decent crop the next spring.

Sure crop seems to work well here. They dont taste as good as earli glow… but they stay healthy and reproduce and make good fruit.

TNHunter

Love Giboshi- have grown it at two locations over many decades, would not be without it. Only downside: my current unpollinated Giboshi, grown mulched but unfertilized in front lawn, took 8 to 10 years to hold a crop. Can’t recall if that happened when grown in an un-mowed meadow at my old farm. Others can comment on this. Pollinating it might shorten the crop drop problem. It’s hard to imagine when eating an unpollinated Giboshi, but I think it tastes even better when pollinated but I wouldn’t let pollination stop me from planting it right away. Got mine from Edible Landscape, Afton, VA.

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@hambone … i am getting scion of smiths best/giboshi via trade this winter.

I have a large stout wild dv out in my orchard to graft it too.

My Kasandra produced 30+ fruit in year 3 grafted to a smaller rootstock… my H63A produced 8 fruit in 2 years when grafted to a similar rootstock.

I seem to have something, climate ? soil ? that persimmons grow extra well in.

My IKKJiro produced 20+ fruit in year 3… and I know for others that was 5 or 6 years.

We will see how giboshi does here.

TNHunter

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I have had similar experience here in North GA. The Eversweet does well tolerating the high heat.
Albion was cooked this last growing season because of the heat.
Chandler is just an okay performer, but when given partial shade (evening shade) it improved.
Seascape and Ozark have been added to my collection, hopefully they will do well.
So far, Eversweet (everbearing) is the only one that I would recommend for this location.

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So I’m pretty late seeing/replying to this so apologies,
If you’re still trying to find a way to taste some different Jujubes, you could try visiting “edible Landscapes” in or around August/September.

They are located in Afton (near the Nelson/Albemarle County line), so in Central Virginia, but that might be close enough for you if you’re in south central va if you want to find some samples of fresh fruit.

My wife and I went there for the first time this past summer and got our first taste of Jujubes. They had something between 6-10 varieties growing in ground there, and they’ll let you pick some to taste if you want so if the timing works for a visit when some of those varieties are ripening that might be a good way to see if it even may be a fruit you’d want to try growing.

I imagine there may be other options around too, but that is the first one I’ve found in the general area if you want to try the fruit fresh.

Over in eastern KY… each year on Columbus day/indigenous peoples day… (mid october) Englands Orchard has a orchard tour… hundreds of persimmons, pears, jujube, CHE, etc.

I have been the last two falls… so many jujubes that you an just walk thru and sample fruit from…

Chico and Black Sea… and Hunan Egg… were some of my favorites last fall. Honey Jar was excellent on flavor but the fruits were quite small.

TNHunter

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