“Bush” cherries

To be honest, these were never really on my radar. I knew they existed but kind of brushed them off as gimmick, but it looks like people actually do have success with them.

In a humid mid Atlantic z7 location, would these at least do as well as a typical sour cherry?

How much of a “bush” are they really?

I see Joy, Joel, and Carmine Jewel - are there major differences between those varieties? These are cerasus hybrids, right?

The Nanking I know as a different species, is that worthwhile and what is it actually taste like?

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If you search romance bush cherry, joy, Joel, carmine jewel, nankings etc you can find many, many long threads that answer all your questions.

I’ve only had carmine jewel for a year and so can’t answer your questions beyond what I’ve read. But, yes there is a big difference between joy/joel and carmine jewel.

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The popular ones are from the Romance series, Romeo, Juliet, Cupid, Crimson Passion and Carmine Jewel.

Of these, Crimson Passion has the stingiest production. Carmine Jewel may be the most productive. Juliet could be the least tart. Anyway, one can only eat a handful of them fresh because they are tart to very tart. They are good for processing i.e. making jam, desserts, juice.

You will likely need to spray with fungicide for cherry leaf spots and brown rot blossom blight.

@clarkinks grows a lot of sour bush cherries in KS. He is not on the east coast.

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Our Nankings flowered profusely and did not set any fruit.

Nanking cherries are great! They’re really like cherries! Unbelievable that they aren’t actually cherries! They’re like sweet tart cherries!

And Nankings can be trimmed to 3 feet or naturally to 8 and still bear well.

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I think that’s often because they’re seedlings they’re relatively short lived already and even shorter if they’re grafted or maybe grown from cuttings will be okay, but I’m not sure.

We had Nanking, Carmine Jewel and Juliet at our last place and loved them so much that we potted up and brought some suckers with us when we moved.

The Juliet are definitely sweetest, but nowhere near as productive as Carmine. Not as sweet as regular sweet cherries, but not very tart either, at least when fully ripe, as grown in northern UT. The kids and the birds cleaned up the Juliet fast and none made it to the house. The tallest was about 6ft, and probably not done growing yet. It suckered quite a bit, but I didn’t mind (More cherries for us;). That might have been because we dug around it a bit one year, trying to remove some invasive weeds.

The Carmine was 4-5 ft tall the last summer we were there and produced a ridiculous amount of cherries that everyone in our family also loved. The kids and their friends and the neighbors browsed on the cherries for 2-3 weeks as they became ripe, and there were still about 3 gallons worth left on the bush when we picked the rest and made a delicious pie filling. Very little sugar needed if they’re good and ripe. Easily pitted by hand.

(The pits on the table are from apricots, not the cherries)

Nanking cherry fruit have a much higher pit to flesh ratio. The cherries are pretty tiny and cling in clusters to the branch, with little or no stem. We liked them for snacking as we passed the bushes (you need more than one for pollination and fruit). Our Nankings suffered from chlorosis in our high pH soil, and I had to supplement with iron chelate or they struggled to thrive. The other bush cherries didn’t seem to have any issues with that.

All of them are absolutely beautiful in bloom, and we have planted them in our new yard, too.

Sorry for the long post. I hope it’s helpful. :slightly_smiling_face:

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The fruit of the Juliet are also the largest of the three we grew- about the size of regular sweet cherries. The carmine jewels are a bit smaller than that, as you can see from the pictures. Nankings are the smallest by far.

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I’ve had a carmine jewel for several years. The cherries are small but delicious, when i can get them. And the pits are small, so there’s a good ratio of fruit to pit. However, I’ve had a couple of issues with it recently:

  1. i built a serious cage for it, so i could harvest some cherries. This worked, but the cage is only about 8 feet high and 4 feet wide. The tree wants to be much bigger than that. When i pruned it, to attempt to keep it in the cage, it was very unhappy and suckered all over the place, maybe more than 15 feet away from the parent plant. I have half a dozen of them popping up. It’s going to be a nuisance to keep this thing in check.

  2. it seems to have acquired some kind of fungal disease. I’ll take photos later, maybe tomorrow, and post them. Both the parent and most of the suckers are affected. (It’s still putting on more growth than it’s dying away.)

Because of these issues, i plan to remove the parent tree and plant a blueberry in the cage. (Heh, wish me luck getting rid of the main tree!) I don’t plan to attempt to kill all the suckers. I suppose i won’t get many cherries without the cage, but it’s kind of a fun plant.

Juliet is the one I’d go for if you want something you can actually eat fresh. Carmine Jewel is more productive but noticeably more tart, good for jam but you won’t be snacking on them the same way. The suckering is worth knowing about upfront, they spread if you let them, which can be a feature or a nuisance depending on your setup.

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It looks like your in MD like me and I have a few of them (sweet thing, cutie pie, carmine Jewel, Juliet, and a white and red Nanking) they grow fine and everything, just be ready to spray for cherry leaf spot. That’s the only issue I’ve had with them so far, they are in their 2nd or 3rd year I think. I’ve only gotten stuff off cutie pie so far but I was very happy with it.

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And I’d add to spray for plum curculio when they show up. But besides those two small chores, they are pretty easy here in Arlington VA, amazingly so since they were bred for a much colder zone.

I think my Carmine Jewel (2 plants) and Juliet (1 plant) bushes are approaching 10 years old and I get more fruit than I need from just the two Carmine Jewel bushes. We probably make a half a dozen pies each year, sometimes some jam, cook some up in a sauce pan with a little sugar to put on ice cream and in various muffins and cakes. We pit and freeze a bunch for use throughout the year. I also let some neighbors pick, since there are plenty to share. This year the taste isn’t as intense due to all the rain, but if I can wait long enough to harvest I think it will just get better every day now that the rain is done. I did have some splitting due to the days and days of soaking rain, which was the first time ever for that issue, so doesn’t seem like a major problem.

Amazingly I don’t have a big problem with birds. I think the fact they are pretty sour when first showing color means they get sampled by birds and then the birds leave them mostly alone - sort of like astringent persimmons. This year there is a little more bird impact, but it still isn’t enough to make much of an impact on my harvest.

We mostly harvest from Carmine Jewel, but Juliet is better for fresh eating, although less productive and taller which makes spraying and picking harder. Because it is harder to spray and I only use Surround I get more PC hits on the Juliets, which is part of the reason we don’t harvest those as much. I actually think Carmine Jewel is better for cooking also, since it is a more intensely flavored fruit. Neither is what I would consider a real fresh eating cherry, although everyone in my family enjoys sampling when we walk by. They just aren’t sweet enough on their own that I would sit down and eat a big bowl.

They do sucker, but I just pot them up and give them away. I’ve even sold enough on FB marketplace one year to make my money back on the original purchase 2X or more.

Here are the Carmine Jewels by my driveway as of today. We’ve done one little harvest, but will do a much bigger harvest this weekend.

If I ever move, these would be one of the first things I’d make sure to plant in my yard. Besides being reliable, productive and fairly easy to grow and maintain, the fruit isn’t readily available in stores and is very pricey at farmers markets. At farmer’s market prices, my bushes are easily producing $200+ of fruit every year.

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Good info. I’m mostly interested in pies/jams/jellies/preserves but might pop a few fresh ones here and there, so it sounds like these would all work.

The suckering is a bit of a concern. I would most likely plant inside my orchard/vegetable fence (otherwise deer will obliterate them before they bear a single fruit) and don’t necessarily want 200 cherry suckers all over the place. I can prepare to deal with that, however.

Some sucker much worse than others. Cutie pie definitely does(put one up first year planted), I think Juliet does too but I haven’t noticed any yet I think (or they got mowed over) I haven’t noticed any on sweet thing either. But some of them will definitely sucker and form a hedge.

Honeyberryusa sells a bunch of the different bush cherries and has really good descriptions for them. That’s where I’ve gotten all of mine except carmine Jewel from.

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That has NOT been my experience. But maybe there’s something tastier in fruit at the same time in your area.

Mine (carmine jewel) didn’t sucker at all until i pruned it heavily. So … Maybe if it’s happy it doesn’t sucker. Of course, now it’s everywhere. It’s actually growing up in several places through the rock “retaining slope” next to my house, which was built on a slope and is above grade in the front but below grade in the back. I really can’t dig those ones out. But i have a promising one in the current patch that I could move or leave alone.

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That could be. There are a lot of mulberries around here, both wild that popped up in people’s yards years ago and my Gerardi and a neighbors something dwarf (he doesn’t remember and it isn’t actually very dwarf). The first ones are ripening before the cherries ripen and birds certainly enjoy them.

My neighbor on the side were I have the Carmine Jewel bushes previously had a montmorency cherry (since taken out when it got really bad gummosis or similar) and I would actually see birds fly over my Carmine Jewel cherries to eat his cherries. My explanation of that was that monty is much less sour when it starts to get red.

My very low sample study of suckers here would suggest that Juliet definitely suckers more than Carmine Jewel and Carmine Jewel suckers closer to the bush.

Here are some photos of dead parts of carmine jewel

New damage to a growing end.


Looks sorta like fireblight, except i don’t think that affects prunus

Dead twigs at the end of a dead branch

Close-up of a dead branch.


Not sure if the bark gives any info

Here’s a sucker tree (in a place where it’s hard to do anything with it


The branch on the right is dead. The other two look healthy.

I will say the plant is very resilient. I bought it shortly after it was introduced in the us. I got a twig with a couple of roots and a phytosanitary certificate. I planted it, and it was immediately eaten to the ground by a rabbit. But it came back, and honestly, it thrived trouble-free until i tried pruning it a lot.

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Looks quite infested with scale of some sort

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I bought a couple of Wowza cherry bush from Gurneys 2 years ago. Hopefully they will fruit next year. Here is the photo from Gurneys.

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