I got here for the same reason - on Ukrainian garden forums the origin of this hybrid is a certain mystery, and im intrested to find some information about it.
It came to us from Europe (mine was immediately called Nectacotum, not Sharafuga, and was transferred as cuttings from Germany).
The fruit itself is large and quite interesting, although, apart from the good flavor of Japanese plum, to me it was hard to feel any other flavors, not apricot nor nectarine.
I also like Globus, fruit can be quite large, has a pretty good taste, productive and has a small free stone in contrast to many other varieties. Also it makes excellent dried fruits. But yeah, new hybrid varieties look more exciting.
Pretty interesting, that we have two rare ukrainian varieties of Nectaplums, they look pretty similar to Spice Zee and also have purple leaves! They called like nectarines Medvedivsky-1 and Medvedivsky-2.
My friend, you know it’s more complicated than that.
For me, many “Ukrainian” varieties are called Russian today because of the war. Even Ukrainians call them Russian because they are grown in Russian-occupied territory.
I understand this heartbreak. I myself am disturbed by the fact of saying that these are Russian varieties.
Crimea was Russian, then became Ukrainian and today is occupied by Russia.
A large number of varieties came out in Nikitkaya botanical garden. Some may be both Russian and Ukrainian. But today the botanical garden is controlled by Russia and the patents are Russian.
I hope that in this war there is a theft of territory, but also of intellectual property.
In France, we also have several territories which successively became German, then French. But I fear that the scar this war will leave will be deeper. I don’t see the end and it saddens me.
Hi my friend
I thought and hoped this issue had beed cleared.
Crimea was never fully russian, if you go back to 1600’s. Let’s not discuss history on this forum, but history touches everything anyway.
I agree with you on some of your quotes, but I disagree on some of yours too.
Crimea has pretty much always been a multi-cultural area, and ownership of it has been a fight that’s been going on for as long as there have been major powers in the region. It’s almost as bad as the Holy Land.
While today the population is definitely more Russian than anything else, the Tatar presence is still pretty strong, though not as strong as before Soviet times when a lot of the Tatars were kicked out and replaced with Russians and Ukrainians. And even before then, it was mixed Russian and Tatar during pretty much the whole time it was in the Russian empire. Prior to its conquest, though, it wasn’t entirely Tatar, as Greeks had a pretty major presence there. Indeed, the Greeks were there since before the Tatars even arrived.
As for political control, it’s pretty telling that this isn’t even the first war in which Western powers are intervening to try and prevent Crimea from remaining under Russian control. Crimean War 2.0, or maybe the Russian Civil War 2.3 (subtitle: Soviet Civil War, part III). Ownership of that peninsula is a messy musical chairs of history, and the history of those trying to support or contest that ownership is just as varied and messy, with Turks, Russians, French and other westerners, etc. all jostling and haggling, while the Ukrainians/Russians/Tatars/Greeks/Jews living there get brutalized every few decades.
In any event, far too much blood spilled, again. History might not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
I mean, you’re Ukrainian, of course you don’t agree. It’s like asking a Palestinian who Jerusalem belong to. But such as it is, history is complicated and messy.
It is a bit surprising your so prepared to downplay the Tatar and Greek history of the place though.
Anyway, I only just realized this isn’t the Lounge, so I think I’ll leave off any additional comments unless needed.
Listen dude, I’m not going to discuss any history on this forum, because it will take a very long time and it wouldn’t be appropriate. Reading some Wikipedia won’t make you a historian, so please, let’s just leave this discussion for good.
I’d prefer you not just assume I got my opinion from an internet search.
Yes, let’s leave off the history and politics. My suggestion would be that everyone avoid “X piece of land actually belongs to Y people!” comments, regardless of how strongly you feel about it.
It is active, however the trees that survived here are either adapted or tolerant to sarka. Some wild ones have fruit slightly disfigured or you will see the spots on the pit. But the trees are doing well and the fruit is good. There is no sharka resistant variety on the market, but there are ones that will have pristine fruit like Jojo.
(Just food for thought, I live 23km from the nursery mentioned by Jose and I’ve seen sharka on wild prunes in my village.)
Wish some of these unique varieties you discuss could be safely added to the North American trade options. I understand pest and viral contamination - but theres got to be a way, no?
It depends on the species. Some plants can be imported without too much trouble. It takes money, time, and resources to do all the import permitting, pest control, and quarantining, but it can be done, not usually by private individuals though. For other species, import is either banned or so strictly controlled it is effectively banned.
, keep us informed if it’s worth ,