How far along are your trees 2019?


#88

Here’s how I interpret this chart:

In the past there was conventional wisdom that generically stated that damage to blossoms was likely to occur at a certain temp for each type of fruit tree. This is referred to as the “Old Temp.” It was probably an educated guess that erred on the side of caution. They’ve since ran more tests and came up with some better educated guesses. They’ve also given a range showing when a little damage happens and when a lot of damage happens. 10% represents the temp at which you can expect 10% of the buds to be killed which is probably no big deal. 90% represents the temp at which 90% of the buds will be killed, which is a much bigger deal, but for a backyard grower can still mean getting a handful of fruit.


#89

Sorry, I did not see your question until now. @ztom has already respond to you. What I want to sis when you say “ killing off whatever is growing” , I hope you mean flower buds. Leave buds are tougher and the trees themself can withstand a lot colder temp than their flower buds.

Also, this chart is only general guidelines.


#90

So I checked my peaches today and below are the ones that stood out -

Full bloom or close to it -

Belle of Georgia
Dixie Red
Red Chief
GlenGlo
SureCrop (I believe this may be mislabeled)
Desiree
Elegant Lady
Redskin

Buds with no pink -

Gloria
Elberta
Madison
McKay
GloHaven
Siberian C
Contender
Blushing Star
TruGold (The real TruGold I bought from Gurneys, not the imposters from Lowes)
Intrepid
Indian Cling
Veteran
JuneGold
GoldPrince
Early Elberta

Black Boy had a tinge of pink on the end of the buds. The rest of my peach trees have a lot of red on the end of the bud or are at a stage where the bloom is starting to break bud.

JuneGold, GoldPrince and BlushingStar are the surprise peach trees. JuneGold and GoldPrince are not noted for late blooms and Blushingstar bloomed early last year.

Redskin is a disappointment - I did not realize it bloomed early.


#91

Looks like those ones not blooming are your high chill varieties? How are your apples doing?

My four trees are close to showing some swollen buds/bit of green tip. Looking at temps back down in the mid-hi 20’s next week, so maybe that will slow them down? We had four days of temps in the 60s/70s, so I’m sure that didn’t help. I even have a few pear fruit bud swelling up.


#92

Blossoms are starting to open on some Nectarines,with a few Plums and Pluots waking up.The temps are starting to rise towards 70F,which will increase the bloom activity.bb


Flavor Supreme Pluot with many other grafts added

Flavor Grenade Pluot

Spice Zee Nectaplum

Raspberry Red Nectarine


#93

My peaches are all in full bloom:
Redskin
Elberta
JH Hale
Not-Reliance (and a lucky accident!)

J plums are past full bloom.

Now I can just tell which buds on pears and Romance cherries are opening to flower clusters.

If my Ayers decides not to bloom even a few flowers this year, I’ll be upset. Last year no Moonglow blooms for the few Ayers and maybe this year the reverse, lol. They aren’t quite mature yet.

The Bradford pears in the neighborhood were early, so I can’t think of any pollen around.


#94

Well, I thought they had been shipped, maybe not. No tracking #…so probably not.


#95

It depends what you call high chill - to me that means 900 plus hours. I don’t know the chill hours on all of the peaches but DixRed and SureCrop are both 900 plus chill hours and they are blooming. JuneGold and GoldPrince are both less than 700 chill hours and have no pink yet. The JuneGold is a small tree but the GoldPrince is a decent size tree. I have not looked at my apples closely yet but nothing is blooming.


#96

It still varies by duration of cold, daytime temps, etc, but I took the chart to mean that while freezes are a problem, generally they’re a bit hardier than people realize.


#97

Spud,

Redskin is one of my earliest bloomers, but it has been one of the more productive peaches in frosty springs. It blooms over a long period of time. Also maybe the blooms are a little hardier. My avatar is a Redskin bloom. I’ve harvested Redskins for ten years. No matter what the weather, some production every year.


#98

It will be interesting to see how my peaches turn out this year. We hit 26F last night with my peach trees in different stages from bud swell to bloom. My Redskin is second year in the ground and it was a large tree when planted, it will be interesting to compare it to Belle Georgia and Dixie Red for fruit set. Temps are supposed to be 30 plus going forward.

A lot of people talk about growing high chill peaches to get late blooms but from my observations this year chill hours is not always a good indicator of bloom time.

I made sure most of the trees I planted this year were trees that had a reputation for being late bloomers and/or frost hardy. Many of the trees I planted previously have turned out not to be frost hardy - Belle of Georgia, Coral Star and Hale Haven being the most notables. It looks like Elegant lady and Crimson Rocket are not frost hardy either, but I will give them more time.

I have got enough trees planted now that I should be able to figure out which ones are right for my area and frost hardy in a couple of years.

Olpea, thanks for sharing the info on Redskin.


#99

Certainly looks cold out there.


#100

@SpudDaddy
I bought a “TruGold” from Lowes last year.
How did you determine your tree is not a genuine TruGold?

I really hope i dont have to wait until it fruits to figure this one out.

Also, how was the fruit quality on the impostor trugold?


#101

Hi Preston,

I bought the two bad. impostor TruGold trees from Lowes in Fall of 2018. So they stayed in the ground until Spring 2019. Gurney’s advertises TruGold as:

"Better frost resistance and later bloom time than other peaches (even Contender), means TruGold avoids the danger of unpredictable spring frosts, ensuring you a bountiful harvest every year. "

The two TruGold peaches from Lowes were one of my first trees to start to break bloom. My Contender trees are still at bud swell. So the TruGold from Lowes definitely does not match the description.

I planted one TruGold from Gurneys in spring of 2018. It’s blossoms are still relatively tight and do not match the impostor TruGolds from Lowes. The peach from Gurneys was planted at a different location but I don’t believe location/micro-climate can account for the extreme difference in bloom/bud development.

I wish I knew the quality of fruit. I am probably two to three years out on getting a peach.


#102

@SpudDaddy
Thank you for the info.
I will pay close attention to the tree this year and see if it is in fact trugold or a mislabeled tree.


#103

Potted trees from Lowe’s or Home Depot or Walmart are not going to act like trees that have been in the ground 5 years. So the worry is premature…patience.


#104

Below is a pic of peach trees. In the front is a small tree which is an Intrepid. To the left and back is a Georgia Bell in full bloom. The large tree to the right is an Elberta. Both the Intrepid and Elberta is just starting to bloom, the Elberta and Intrepid are at least 8 to 9 days behind the Belle of Georgia.


#105

Spud,

I hope I don’t sound like a broken record, but I’m questioning whether your Belle of Georgia really is. Belle of Georgia has non-showy blooms. It’s not completely clear from the pic, given the distance, but it looks like the left tree furthest in the pic you are calling Belle of Georgia has showy blooms.


#106

To me it has showy blooms. I have another tree that is labeled Belle of Georgia that has similar blooms, blooms the same time and was bought at different times (different years) and is planted at my fathers farm. I will try and get a close up pic tomorrow. The tree pictured is in my front yard and came from Sams Club in 2016 and was labeled from Simpson Nurseries.


#107

Sounds good.

Belle of Georgia has non-showy blooms. If you are in any doubt, the fruit has very little red color and drops something horrible.

I grew one tree years ago. It produced heavily, but bruised and dropped so badly it wasn’t worth it.

Here is a description from Dick Okie (i.e. Byron GA). Handbook of peach and Nectarine Varieties Scroll down to page 36

https://books.google.com/books?id=fspVzzHoV_AC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false