Dr Richard Campbell was in charge of Fairchild for several decades.
Why is his statement “GOSSIP” ?
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Richard-J-Campbell-2056738234
Other than page (450 & 451) of R. Neal Peterson’s book please provide links & information as to what happened with Fairchild pawpaw & interspecifics if so well documented.
When I spoke with Neal he said that anything of any value at Zimmerman place died prior to widow giving permission for the place to be viewed & salvaged.
And no records linking gifts & purchases at Blandy Experimental Farm to specific trees.
Neal stated that anything of value was most likely grafted & was was received was seedlings & suckers.
My point in contacting Richard Campbell is because David Fairchild would not have put all his eggs in one basket.
If you have any information beyond this?
Then please provide location of Fairchild, thanks.
I will look at your links to see if they have any information beyond my conversations with Neal Peterson over pages (450 & 451) of his book.
In my opinion while maybe documented as best as possible, for the given situation at (Blandy & Zimmerman) it is not well documented.
Creates far more questions than they answer.
No information on John W Hershey property, nor unnamed Fairchild seedlings nor Fairchild hybrids in Peterson’s research or our personal conversations.
Nothing of value of Zimmerman at Blandy other than (Sweet Alice & Middletown).
No Fairchild, no Fairchild 2, no hybrids of any value.
Before I speed a week reading, can you at least tell me if there is anything of value or if I’m waisting my time?
I suppose my conversations with Neal Peterson are also “GOSSIP” ???
I was referring to the method, not the links.
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LOL, I understand the method of hand pollination, bag sealing blossoms, stimulating yeast symbiosis, Colchicine & a few additional things.
I have DNA marker charts & genetic association & separation information from KSU & few other places.
I’m searching for lost varietals of Ketter, Fairchild, Fairchild 2, Fairchild seedlings & hybrids.
Again, I was referring to the research method, not the links or articles they point to.
You mean the method of being on the page for scientific information?
I do that all the time.
I usually have 30 to 100 windows open of such & use the HTML search web page function to my key words in the scientific research articles.
Read a few paragraphs & vet the information against other sources.
Part of why the word GOSSIP triggered me.
Again do you have any information as to actual locations of Fairchild, Fairchild 2 & hybrids???
Like I originally said:
Spent a week doing GOOGLE SEARCH.
then contacted Neal Peterson & Dr Richard Campbell directly.
No information of consequence to report.
No, I’m not referring to that. Look at the steps I outlined and you’ll see it’s quite different.
The previously published genomic relations of Pawpaw cultivars are invalid.
R. Frost. 2022. “Coupled analysis of Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) genetic markers and ancestry records.” International Journal on Computational Science & Applications 12:3 pp.1-8.
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I have bookmarked scholar.google.com.
There is definitely more scientific articles here thanks!
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=12581016615295273131&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
Yes. When the publisher releases the URL I’ll start a thread about it.
Here’s the relevant publications I found in step 1, looking forward in time from G. Zimmerman’s 1941 paper.
| Serial | Author | Pub. Year | Title | Publisher | Article |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | G.A. Zimmerman | 1941 | Hybrids of the American papaw | Journal of Heredity | Zimmerman 1941 - Hybrids of the American papaw.pdf (3.9 MB) |
| 1Fa | R. Kral | 1960 | A Revision of Asimina and Deeringothamnus | Brittonia | Kral 1960 - A Revision of Asimina and Deeringothamnus.pdf (9.1 MB) |
| 1Fb | G. Gottsberger | 1974 | The structure and function of the primitive Angiosperm flower | Acta Botanica Neerlandica | https://natuurtijdschriften.nl/pub/540027/ABN1974023004007.pdf |
| 1Fc | K. Pomper | 2005 | The North American pawpaw: botany and horticulture in Horticultural Reviews vol. 31 | Wiley | https://media1.webgarden.com/files/media1:534e02c28c23f.pdf.upl/Horticultural_Reviews.pdf#page=363 |
| 1Fd | C.E. Wood Jr | 1958 | The genera of the woody Ranales in the southeastern United States | Journal of the Arnold Arboretum | Wood 1958 - The genera of the woody Ranales in the southeastern United States.pdf (4.9 MB) |
| 1Fe | E.M. Norman | 1986 | Reproductive Biology of two Florida Pawpaws: Asimina obovata and A. pygmaea | Bulletin of the Torrey Botanical Club | Norman 1986 - Reproductive Biology of two Florida Pawpaws.pdf (940.6 KB) |
| 1Ff | E.M. Norman | 1992 | Reproductive Biology of Asimina parviflora | Bulletin of the Torrey Botanical Club | Norman 1992 - Reproductive Biology of Asimina parviflora.pdf (587.7 KB) |
| 1Fg | W.M. Bowden | 1948 | Chromosome Numbers in the Annonaceae | American Journal of Botany | Bowden 1948 - Chromosome numbers in the Annonaceae.pdf (1.1 MB) |
| 1Fh | M. Brett | 1992 | Our native pawpaw: the next new commercial fruit | Arnoldia | http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/pdf/articles/1992-52-3-our-native-pawpaw-the-next-new-commercial-fruit.pdf |
| 1Fi | C.N. Horn | 2015 | A New Hybrid of Asimina Based on Morphological and Ecological Data | Castanea | https://doi.org/10.2179/15-067 |
| 1Fj | F. Galli | 2007 | Ripening and postharvest management of pawpaw fruit | University of Kentucky Doctoral Dissertations | https://uknowledge.uky.edu/gradschool_diss/507 |
| 1Fk | R.N. Peterson | 2007 | Pawpaw (Asimina) | Genetic Resources of Temperate Fruit and Nut Crops 290 | PAWPAW (ASIMINA) |
Lots of ways.
Usually unseen eggs, or larvae or nymphs on genetic material purchased.
Biological Warfare has also been suggested numerous times.
I recommend you familiarize yourself with Barkslip’s location and region, then respond to him in a new thread. Here, the focus is on Interspecies Asimina crosses.
Fine.
What is the best way to proceed at making an interspecific hybrid between (Asimina Triloba Susquehanna x Annona Reticulata Fernandez).
In a zone 9a environment, with 14" rain annually, in high Calcium, Magnesium & Copper saturated flood plane which is an ancient mesquite tree forest.
114 days above 100°F .
Asimina Triloba Mango & Susquehanna survive here with shade.
I currently have 140 Susquehanna seeds, 80 Davis seeds & 70 Sunflower seeds.
Seeds have been chilled between 36°F & 41°F for 4 months.
Current temperature 108°F with 12% humidity.
I’m going to attempt to conflate my wild yeast symbiosis knowledge from mango to Asimina Triloba.
It seems that they have similar invasive fungi & symbiotic Mycorrhiza & Yeast relationships.
I was planning on dense (East/West) espalier under large mesquite with Vitis Vinifera & Vitis Rotundifolia to provide shade, wind breaks & humidity.
Your thoughts?
‘San Pablo’ cultivar parent right & ‘Fernandez’ seedling cultivar left.
Fernandez is near seedless & seeds are 70% smaller,
yet are viable with a 90% grow true nature per cultivar owner.
Ploidy is unknown but assumed Diploid.
Susquehanna pawpaw is also most likely Diploid.
Should it be an easy cross or not?
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Check the content of the first post of this thread.