Is anyone else already planning their 2017 gardens?

It maybe too early yet. It may be because I don’t have the space like some of you do. It may even be because I don’t really have much yet and so I’m tired of waiting for my tomatoes to turn red to eat. :wink: Mostly it is because I see your pictures and I am so excited to share in both your trials and wins.
I already have another blueberry scheduled for next spring. I know that I will plant at least 3 more tomato plants again next year (maybe try growing from seeds?). I’m thinking I want at least 1 pepper plant and maybe two more tomatoes. I have Music garlic coming this fall to try out. Now for my fun, I’m thinking I need 1 Heritage raspberry and maybe try a Fall Golden too. And since I have some extra 30 gal grow bags I’m thinking I need a rhubarb plant too (looking at Crimson red).
How about you? Is anyone else getting excited already for next spring or are you too hot from summer? :heart_eyes:

The problem I have with thinking about next spring is that we have to go through winter to get there. If we could skip past that part, I would have started looking forward to next spring after about three days summer heat. :slight_smile:

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I’m actually kind of excited about winter this year. Mainly because this is my first year overwintering blueberries. I’m already planning on what to do to help them live in their containers. I think because this is all new to me it isn’t a chore - it’s an adventure! 5 years from now we’ll have to see. :wink: P.s. I think your garden areas are gorgeous and know that you will enjoy your winter for what it is. Do you get much down time in winter, or is it just a change of plants from summer plants?

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I hear you, I’ve already ordered some seed.:slight_smile:

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My garden and my ‘orchard’ compete heavily for square feet in my tiny yard. I thought I had plenty of gardening space before I put the trees in, and the trees are way more addictive than spinach. This year I grafted a bunch of apples, and next year is stone fruit year!

My BIG dream for this year is rebuilding my deck, and putting in 20 square feet of gravel filter/planting space attached to it and relocating my koi pond from the back shady area to being deck adjacent.

Learning from this year was that I am planting my tomatoes too closely. They ended up flopping on each other. I also need to thin out my asparagus and try to find a new place for them.

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I have what I believe to be a patch of Fall Golden rasps transplanted from my mother’s garden. They are a bit harder to grow, but the berries are wonderful.

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Never an end to planning - I’m already planning now not to grow Cavilli parthenogenic squash next year, to plant fewer cabbages and more peas, to turn the former asparagus bed over to grass

Every success and failure carries over to the next season

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What do you think makes them harder to grow? Do you think they are more susceptible to insects/fungus? I’ve never grown raspberry and it’s been so long since my Dad grew them that I don’t remember why he stopped. I’d rather make informed decisions (sometimes :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:)

The ones I have, which I believe are Fall Gold (but am not 100% sure cuz Mom lost the label), produce smaller canes than your conventional red rasp. This makes them more susceptible to weed pressure. Big weeds can shadow them out, whereas red rasps easily attain a greater height, even under total neglect, to reach the sun.

Fall Gold canes are much smaller and have an almost upright habit (instead of the usual arching loop). The foliage is a darker green.

They are best transplanted in spring. They want part sun. They do best if you water them frequently their first two years in the ground, so they can spread by underground runners. Keep the weeds off of them.

The berries have a rich, sweet taste. There is less acid in the flavor profile.

A few golden rasps I got last year around the same time as strawberry season. This is the color you want (almost orange). The “Anne” cultivar is too pale and never achieves this color.

Here, they can ripen as early as May. June most other places (like PA). Sometimes you get a rare fall crop.

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P.S.

Do NOT fertilize your rasps. This can KEEEL them!

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@Matt_in_Maryland Thanks for that advise! I was planning putting them 1-2 plants each into 30 gal grow bagsand mulching with shredded leaves so weeds and runners shouldn’t be as much of a problem (that’s my hope anyways). Never know till I try it.

Recommend you plant them in ground. They need space to runner a little bit. In pots, the roots can die from winter cold. They get nice and snuggly in loamy ground.

First year canes grow green. Two-year old canes set fruit. Three-year old canes die and should be snipped out (to prevent mold).

New first-year canes will form from the runners.

Best to plant several brambles one year, and then plant several more the following year.

I wish I could plant in ground, but since I rent it’s containers or nothing for me right now. Someday.

OK, well use grow bags, they winter much better. Well the plants do in them! I like root pouches myself as the price is right!
You can use stakes if you need support.
How to you plan to overwinter them?

I’m planning to put them in 30 gal grow bags along a west facing fence. For overwintering I’m thinking I’ll cover with burlap and leaves (I get tons of maple leaves from 5 trees along house). Moving them once full of soil isn’t really an option. Even if I could move them I have nowhere to move them too. I’m planning on lots of praying and hoping too :wink:

I overwintered one outside last year, and it was fine. It’s a good experiment even if they die. Let us know next spring. I did nothing but leave it too. It was mulched, no burlap. I would suggest to be safe, spray them with wiltstop. I may have done this, as I spray my in ground blackberries as they are western and it’s a little too cold for them here. This year’s crop was amazing! It’s not over, I have probably 20 pounds or more of blackberries (thousands). Off of a few plants, man are blackberries productive!

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Thanks for the advise Drew. I figure why not try it, right? Learning something new for me is never bad.

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yes, I often learn more from failures than successes.
Fall Gold is a good one. Besides fantastic berries it will grow just about anywhere.
For yellows I grow Fall Gold, Anne, Kiwi Gold, Cascade Gold, and Honeyqueen. Oh also a yellow cap black raspberry.

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Drew, we need to see photos of all your yellow berries so we can compare them. Boy, you have a lot of stuff goin’ on.

I will try and do that this fall. All but Honey Queen will be fruiting (summer cultivar). My summer crop is done. I didn’t take any photos. I myself like Cascade Gold the best, oh that is summer bearing too! They are the sweetest of the yellows. hard to grow though. The canes are not very winter hardy. Kiwi Gold is darn good too, and both turn orange when fully ripe. Any yellow is a good raspberry!

Yes, Monday is garden day for me. Trying to cool off with frequent breaks. I’m fairly up to date with garden chores.