I hope the -8 or less is good on the NB-21. Mine has seen -6 already this winter, we’ll see in the spring.
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There’s Bozhy Dar that has male and female flowers.
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Richard, is it possible, similar to how peaches have a ripening date + or - relative to a particular variety (in the case of peaches it is Redhaven) , that we could add a column for that? I would say that comparing to Nikita’s Gift would be a great standard that everyone could relate to.
Another hybrid I did not see listed is “Journey”
You can add
12/21
10/12
Pixie (male flowers and female)
Also Ukrainien hybrid :
NB1
NB2
NB3
Marush
Gidra
Adolf Lishchuk
Jubile
Kolhoznitza
Schistian gold…
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“Usually, the damaged areas will start showing up about two weeks after the freeze .” Google.
You’ll have to check the cambium when/after that temp occurred, JCW.
Dax
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There is a lot more to climate than cold hardiness. All the simple charts you have seen for peach ripening date or relative ripening date are wrong. Different climates can result in different ripening order, and in fact different years in the same location can produce different ripening dates and orders.
Growing degree days is the most reliable in my opinion but it does require readers to have access to historical weather and annual forecasts for their location. I suppose for simplicity we could use harvest date + location, but then folks not in that location will have to look up historical weather data and know how to translate to their own. I’m still not decided on which convention to follow.
Is this a species hybrid, e.g. D. virginiana x kaki?
Are those dates or accession numbers?
Are all the cultivars you’ve listed species hybrids; e.g. D. virginiana x kaki?
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All hybrid, all in my garden.
All others in Ukrainian gardeners.
You can add also:
Appolinator du grain (rossayanka matation with only male flowers)
Derevenko Universal polinator.
Not Ukrainian, but PVNA hybrid: MWF2 with male flowers.
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England’s website lists it as an F4 hybrid estimating it at 12.5% kaki.
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I’m not sure how Cliff came up with 12.5% kaki. The parentage is listed as (Rosseyanka x Great Wall) x (H-118 Early Jewel x OP). Assuming the OP is D. v., then Journey should be ~37.5% kaki, since the Rossey x Great Wall should be ~75% kaki.
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As far as I know Krymchanka/Krymskaya are not hybrids. The Gora series is open pollinated NB by a Ukrainian gardener.
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Unfortunately, the word “hybrid” is used for both crosses between cultivars of the same species (intra-species) and crosses between species (inter-species).
In USDA zone 9 ?
As single trees, or a few multi-grafted trees?
This is not a casual project. Please use capitalization as it appears in journal publications or listings of viable U.S. nurseries.
Are those harvest dates or accession numbers?
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Please write out your computation with algebra.
What is NB ?
Rosseyanka=50% kaki, Great Wall=100% kaki, 50% x 100% = 75%
75% x D.v. 0%=37.5%
Does Great Wall ever produce male flowers? If not then Cliff probably has the cross backwards (ALWAYS list the seed parent first!), and the Rosseyanka is Rosseyanka male (Rosseyanka x D.v. male). If that is the case, then Journey would be ~31.25% kaki.
50% x 0%=25% kaki for Rossey male
Great Wall 100% x 25% Rossey male=62.5% kaki
62.5% kaki x D.v. 0%=31.25% kaki
Nikitskaya Bordovaya
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@Arhus76 — if I remember correctly, you’re in Europe (please correct me if my memory is wrong). The subject of this thread says: “hybrid persimmon species available in U.S”
Not to derail the conversation, but Arhus provided many of the above to be grafted in the U.S. They may not be available yet, but will be by next year.
I want to weigh in with a bit of information on bud-break, flowering time, and fruit maturity date. These are traits that are directly influenced by weather in the specific location where a plant is grown. It is critical to understand that growing the same variety in a different climate can drastically change expression of these traits. For example, if a pecan is moved from Illinois to Florida, it may entirely flip from protandrous to protogynous. This is caused by the duration of cold temperatures where different bud types (vegetative, male, female) have different requirements before breaking buds. Since persimmon is normally monoecious (male flowers are separate from female flowers, either on different plants or on the same plant but different flowers), this means it will behave similar to pecan in shifting flowering time based on winter temperatures. In other words, whatever it does in southern Tennessee might be very different to what it does in Illinois or California.
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I agreed with @Fusion_power . I am going to bark grafts this Spring 2023 a good chunk on Ukrainian Hybrids and some of those are on Arthus76 list for future crosses with Taishu male and Jerry Lehman Rossyanka male offspring 400-5.
Tony
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Can you @Richard add the Prok crossed with 400-5 Jerry Lehman Rossyanka male offspring and I name it my hometown Omaha. Super hardy to alteast -20F or more.
Thanks
Tony
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