great to see that new nursery @BobVance .
maybe new to just me as have been off the internet lately…
Here’s a pic of the trees I got this past January.
In particular, the above post shows how the roots from Grow Organic are much larger than those from Bay Laurel, even though the trunk calipers are similar (both are pretty large, ~5/8 to 3/4"). They are also a bit cheaper.
Chinese Red Date nursery also has very impressive root systems, with slightly thinner trunks. But, if you don’t buy the Amerizao (new varieties which are more expensive), they are probably the most cost-effective option, especially when you consider what nice trees they send. I placed a larger order with them this year, though they are now sold out of many of the new varieties.
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got to hand it to you --your attention to detail is extraordinary. Btw, i was reading through your quoted posts and should have noted of groworganic at the time but for some reason eluded me!
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They have a 20% off sale through this Sunday, which puts them at a pretty competitive $40 each. Code is THANKSGIVING19.
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that really is competitive if they continue to sell them at 5/8 to 3/4" caliper sizes
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two samples of seeds given to me by one of the members for identification. Purchased online from various purveyors. Actually had 5 samples given to me but they were either non-viable or outright non-jujubas(what appeared to be gourd seeds!)
those at left(marked #1) were grown from three seeds, one of which was too broad to be a true jujuba, and the other two looked just like true jujuba seeds(relatively small and narrow).
as younger sprouts they looked like true jujubas as well. But now beginning to look like NOT xmas… All developing extra-broad cotyledon-leaves with relatively long petioles.
the pair at right continue exhibiting jujuba traits, but may be too early to tell
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From my experience the one on the left is definitely not jujuba. The ones on the right are likely jujuba but still early. I agree—the long petioles give it away. The little bastards that I grew had long petioles from birth.
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Is there a jujube gourd the site could have been selling? who was selling non jujube seeds as jujubes? It looks like two of the ones on the left could have some squash like tendencies
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Hi @RichardRoundTree, the picture i posted didn’t project well, i admit. The ones on the left do look like squash but they are not. Am confident they are in the same family as jujubes, and may even be called jujubes, but not chinese fruit-variety jujube. They are likely of the same genus(Ziziphus), but not of the same species as the most popular fruit-variety for temperate regions(jujuba). May be a jujube from the middle east or tropical asia. There are many species of jujubes, unfortunately, so online sellers may not exactly be accountable. But they should at least mention the species. The seeds were obtained by another GF member from random vendors at ebay. The seeds that looked like gourd seeds didn’t germinate. Was hoping they would as really curious about what they’d turn out to be…
btw, i googled jujube gourd, and was wondering if you might be pertaining to other possible jujube species for woodworking?
https://www.amazon.com/El-Matero-Easy-Clean-All-Natural-Stainless/dp/B07M992YGR
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Here are a few pics of the jujube seeds I’m starting indoors this winter. I know they are all jujubes, as I (or my family) ate the fruit from around the pits 
The largest one, started 2 months ago. It started off strong and I’ve been moving this one from one window to another, to get the most sun. Yes, it has been excessively babied…
Here are some smaller ones, planted 1.5 months ago and in a South facing window.
About a week ago, I put some into an aluminum foil lined box with some grow lights. It looks like my timer stopped working, so I’ve been manually plugging and unplugging the setup when I remember. I know for some plants getting too much light (or too many hours in a row) is bad. Any idea about jujubes? If it is OK, it’s easier for me to just leave it on all the time…
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juju seedlings will likely benefit from ‘too much light’
if at all they will suffer from too much of it, considering your location. Some of those babies will go dormant when planted out in spring(likely due to net decrease in night temps after long periods of constant temps indoors, plus decrease in photoperiod), so loading up their food reserves will be beneficial, being so tiny
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Nice touch!!
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Thanks for the free advert @mamuang! You know, was just telling @k8tpayaso i cringe whenever i find myslef picking up the book and browsing through it. It is nothing more than a leisurely lackadaisical publication.
there’s no need to buy my junk if you’re a member here(heck have posted enough jujube junk here already!)
and will gladly post more juju stuff and answer queries posted in this thread as soon as i can, all one need do is ask
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This is true, Raf, but I pick up your book often for different reasons and it’s there and available immediately when I do have need for information. I use it to help choose what scion I might want, making sure I graft my lateral(?) or upright(?) in the right direction, or to determine what variety characteristics this seedling might be exhibiting. I don’t have to wait for my answers…
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Agree with Kathy,
Having a book in my hands as a reference is a lot better and faster than browsing through many, many posts and threads.
Sometimes, I can’t even remember what threads contain the info I need.
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Thanks @mamuang and @k8tpayaso
incidentally, haven’t forgotten my little pledge to this good forum about donating 1$ for each electronic(kindle) version of the book we sell. It is taking a while as still finding a way to make the file look presentable on a smaller tablet. May just have to do away with the graphics which ms word allows(for 8.5" x 11.5" hard copy pages) and settle for one photo per page…
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so as a follow up re: seedlings from various online sources
below are the two samples from several weeks ago. Those on the left are definitely not jujuba’s, while those at right continue to exhibit jujuba characteristics
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Yup. Man is that strange. Do you believe people buy the seeds only to brew tea and therefore the integrity of the seeds is usually unquestioned? What other seeds are so untrue? Sunflowers aren’t sold as poppies and poppies don’t pretend to be sunflowers.
So #1 can’t serve as rootstock?
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probably not, and even if it is compatible, probably not hardy in most regions north of us-mexican border.
conversely, also worried that should these non-jujuba seeds end up being resilient to usa conditions, these could end up being invasive. And would serve no purpose if not compatible as rootstock. I have not experimented with interspecific grafting of ziziphus so will try on these, that is if it will survive our summers, or our winters(currently growing these indoors)
never thought of that, but it does make perfect sense.
i can’t think of other major species being sold as pretenders. The closest thing could think of are seeds of custard apple family(soursop, cherimoya, etc) which could easily be mistaken for each other.
also possible that just between you and @k8tpayaso online sellers couldn’t keep up with the demand that they started selling knock offs 
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