New to me apple scions


#1

There was a lady at the local farmers market that was giving away apple scions. My friend brought a few of them home. She told me the names, but I had not heard of any of them. I was able to find brief descriptions of most of them, but are they rare?
Dutchess
Gray Pearmain
Hudson’s Golden Gem
Lady
Mollies Delicious
Ortley
Summer Rambo
Yellow Newton
Jeneting
Shackleford

Jeneting has a mention on this forum from 3 years ago, no description.
I couldn’t find anything on Shackleford.
Some of the names she wrote down may not have the full name, there are several apples with Lady in the name.
And the Yellow Newton also has Pippin in the name.
Anyway, has anyone grew any of these or have any recommendations? Most of them sound like they should have good flavors. If she got long enough scion to share with me, I may be able to find a limb or two to add to my Frankin tree.


#2

Was this local farmers market in Washington? The reason I ask is that I grow all of these but Shackleford I just grafted this year after receiving it from David Benscoter (the apple detective) who has been identifying old heirloom varieties of apples in the Palouse region of that state.

Except for Shackleford which I have not tasted the rest of these are great tasting apples.


#3

It was in Newport, WA


#4

Lady is the oldest know apple cultivar. It is known to have been grown by the Romans. Martha Washington used to keep a few handy in her dress pockets for whenever she needed a snack.

There are many strains of Newtown Pippin (which originated in New York). The yellow strains are associated with the Albemarle Pippin wing of the family. That strain came out of New York but was later grown successfully in Virginia. When in Europe, Thomas Jefferson complained they had no good apples to compare to “our Newtown Pippins.” The apple somewhat resembles an antique version of Granny Smith but has a unique “piney” element to its flavor.

Summer Rambo is a summer pie apple grown widely in Maryland. It is not impressive to me in the least, but it is reliable, so all the local farmers grow it for the early-season pie market.

Hudson’s Golden Gem is widely known by us apple snobs as one that can do well in Oregon.

Dutchess MIGHT mean Dutchess of Oldenburg- a well-known cold-hardy apple from Europe adopted for growing along America’s northern tier. It was a key apple used in Minnesota’s breeding program, and was recently identified as a grandparent of Honeycrisp through genetic analysis. Most of the apples planted in northern Maine are DofOs.

The others are less widely known. I’ve seen them in rare collection listings, except perhaps Shackleford, which I do not recall ever seeing.


#5

Mollies is the only one of the group that I have tasted. It ripens about mid August at my location. It is a medium to large apple with a mild sweet taste but not as sweet as Gala.


#6

Hey Matt, good catch, I did not think of Dutchess of Oldenburg, but Duchess’s Favorite, a different but good to eat as well.


#7

Here’s a Fedco description for Gray Pearmain (as you can see, exceedingly rare until recently):

We have Gray Pearmain and it seems to be growing well (starting its second year), but that’s all I can tell you.

Here’s a description from Fedco in Maine:

Gray Pearmain Apple Fall-Winter. Probably Skowhegan, Maine, before 1870.
Absolutely delicious dessert (fresh eating) apple with a distinct pear flavor and firm white juicy mildly tart flesh. Steadily gaining a devoted following.

Medium-sized slightly ribbed and muffin-shaped fruit has a soft opaque greenish-yellow skin with a rosy pink blush, a russet veil, and a greyish bloom. Produces excellent juice. Pick late and eat them in the fall and all winter.

Until recently the only trees we knew of were at The Apple Farm in Fairfield, across the line from Skowhegan. Through the generosity of the Meyerhans, the Gray Pearmain is now being grown throughout Maine and beyond.

Annually bearing easy-to-grow medium-sized spreading tree. Blooms midseason. Z4-6.

https://www.fedcoseeds.com/trees/?item=148

And here’s a link to a tasting description on Adam’s Apples:

I think some of the others are described in Burford’s Apples of North America.


#8

To fill in the details a little more:
I thought you might have meant Duchess’s Favorite when you listed Dutchess and that one I have described as:
England - 1863, late, large red skinned fruit. Named after the Duchess of York. Crisp, sweet, tasty red and white flesh.

Gray Pearmain - Maine - 1880. Delicious dessert apple with a distinct pear flavor and firm white juicy mildly tart flesh. Medium sized fruit has a soft opaque greenish-yellow skin with a rosy pink blush, a russet veil, and a greyish bloom.

Hudson’s Golden Gem - Oregon - 1931, Large, elongated, high quality fruit. Smooth, dull yellow russet skin with a very long stem. Excellent dessert apple with a pear-like flavor. Discovered as a seedling along a fence row. Ripens in early October.

Lady - France - 1628, maybe Roman era? Traditionally the Lady apple was used in Christmas decorations and stockings. Small, smooth, creamy yellow fruit with glossy red cheek, borne often in clusters. Crisp, juicy, fine-grained, pure white flesh. Also makes excellent cider. Spur bearing.

Mollie’s Delicious - New Jersey - 1948. A very good to excellent early apple ripening. Fruits are large to very large, conical in shape with a pinkish red color. Has an exceptionally pleasing aftertaste. Golden Delicious / Gravenstein) x (Edgewood / Close). Not a sport of Delicious. Spur bearing.

Ortley - Originated in New Jersey, USA in the orchard of Michael Ortley. Described in 1817 as Woolman’s Long Pippin. Re-named Ortley in 1825. In 1872, the commercial synonym Cleopatra came into use. Fruits have tender, very juicy flesh with a pleasant mild flavor.

Summer Rambo - France - 1535, Rambour is a French name given to certain varieties of red apples of a large size. Fruit is crisp, very juicy, yellow, breaking flesh, a great apple for early season eating out of hand and also good for sauce. Large red fruit, bright striped.

Yellow Newtown - New York - early 1700’s, mid, large fruit is at first dull green, but changing as it ripens to a fine olive green, or greenish yellow, with a reddish boush. Flesh is yellowish white tinged with green, firm, crisp, very juicy, with a rich and highly aromatic flavor. A favorite of George Washington. Spur bearing.

Jeneting - Is probably Fall Jenneting and that one is from Connecticutt - pre 1846. Early to mid dessert and cooking apple. Moderately firm, fine, crisp, tender, juicy, sprightly, subacid.

Shackleford - heirloom from the Palouse region of Washington


#9

Thank you everyone for the information. I went to my friends today and got a stick of each. The lady giving them away did not grow them. Someone else gave them to her, don’t know where they came from. Some of the scions had commercial labels on them, I didn’t pay any attention to anything on the label but the apple name. Darn. I plan on going to the farmers market myself Sat. and see if I can get any more information. Maybe I should go to the local farm/feed store and buy me another apple tree in a pot with a lot of limbs.


#10

buying another apple tree with a lot of limbs is a great idea!


#11

Tessie5- I believe I know who the lady was that had the scion wood. She had some extra she could share with others. I live just 30 miles from Newport. I have the Shackleford as well as scion wood for other lost varieties. Send me en email next January and we can meet up if you’d like some scion wood. Dave Benscoter dbens23@gmail.com


#12

DaveB will do.
And I did buy another tree, a Zestar. I choose a taller one with lots of limbs and put 7 of the above plus 4 others I had on it.
I know they are probably too crowded but it will give them a chance to grow, then I can move them.