Non-astringent persimmon reccomendations?

[NoVA]

Any concerns with it?

[Hillbillyhort]

Toxic , not for consumption

[NoVA]

I see. Thanks! That is indeed an issue. I will replace it with wine then. Hope it is strong enough to make it work.
I read from another post that the fruit may have alcohol taste after this process. I will try the apple approach as well. See how it goes.

[luxin]

Got any seeds to sell, perchance?

[Robert]

What about coffee cake? I was looking at it myself. Anyone have one to report?

[Bhawkins]

Sorry, I didn’t keep any

[Robert]

I am looking at chocolate myself. Any chance I could get you to break down when it is astringent or not? Is the taste that much different to make it worth getting? I have been putting off buying it in fear of contaminating the others with seeds.

[danchappell]

This has been my first year of production from the chocolate persimmon so with such a small sample size, I am hesitant to make a final judgement. My preliminary evaluation is that it was quite good but not exceptional. My wife gives them points because the flesh is a bit less watery than a typical Hachiya. They also have an interesting appearance when arranged on a desert plate with other colors of persimmon. They dry well too.

I have not tried, but I don’t believe that you can eat these while they are still hard like you would with a Fuyu type.

I was wondering if the seeds would be bad but now that I have them, they don’t bother me at all. Some people claim that pollination improves ripening, but I haven’t substantiated this claim.

[dfwinterstein]

Just one comment: Every giant fuyu I’ve had has been bland compared with fuyu. Two comments: My fuyu had seedless fruits until it started producing male flowers. That was after about 20 years. Now they’re all seedy. At about that time it also became an alternate-year bearer.

[Grace1]

Wow! Thank you so much for the information regarding taking out astringency. I have the same question. Does the fruit touch the alcohol?

[zendog]

Hi Grace. No, the alcohol is in a separate dish beside the fruit.

[Bud]

@cdamarjian “CO2 from Soda stream” ?
Explain please. I’d like to find a cheap way of doing this. I tried the alcohol method once, but I didn’t like the results (compared to just letting the fruit ripen fully). Maybe CO2 is what I need to do. But not if I need to spend much.
Thanks!

[Bud]

Every giant fuyu I’ve had has been bland compared with fuyu.

Hear hear! That has been my experience too.

[cdamarjian]

Well, yes, you do need a CO2 generator for starters, like the one that comes with a Soda Stream, the kitchen appliance that injects CO2 into water to make fizzy water. At end of Nov they were on sale on Amazon for $49, although now I see they are back to regular price. Maybe on sale again after the holidays.
For astringent persimmon use, you put persimmons in a freezer strength plastic bag, zip top almost all the way closed, press out room air, insert opening in bag under the CO2 nozzle, and add CO2 until the bag is nearly full. Twist the top of bag closed (zip-loc top isn’t reliably air tight), and twist tie.
My Saijo became non-astringent yet still firm in 1 day. Store-bought Hachiya took 2-3 days.
Makes you appreciate the complex flavor of a sliced astringent compared to a Fuyu!

[cdamarjian]

A nearly cost-free alternative would be to place vinegar and baking soda in a bottle with a 1-hole stopper with pinched tubing. Run tubing into ziplock bag and open the pinch. This takes a lot of manual dexterity!

[ncdabbler]

As a potentially cheaper alternative to soda stream CO2 tanks, you could buy a small paint ball CO2 tank - I have a 20 oz tank that costs me $6 to refill at a paint ball supply store.

[cdamarjian]

Great idea. Paintball tanks a better deal. (Soda stream 14.5 oz tanks exchanged for full ones for $15.)
Would you need an on/off fitting and nozzle for the top of paintball CO2 tank? I considered the paintball option, but was stymied by the modifications.

[ncdabbler]

Yes, it’s called a paint ball tank remote line. That would allow you to control the CO2 flow and fill your bag of persimmons. Since you already have a soda stream, though, you could get a cheaper paint ball tank to soda stream adapter. If you were going to do larger quantities, it’d be even cheaper over the long term to buy a 5lb CO2 tank and get it filled at a place like Airgas instead of using paint ball tanks.

[cdamarjian]

Thanks!..will check out paint ball to soda stream adapter.

[disc4tw]

long term to buy a 5lb CO2 tank and get it filled at a place like Airgas

I have a 5lb tank for my home brewing setup. It also works for store bought kegs, so if you drink beer or are interested in taking up homebrewing that is another reason to make that jump. It also saves a significant amount of money over buying cans/bottles of good brew.