Pear buds, blossoms, and fruit


#221

Here are pictures of my pear that I cannot identify. From the posts above this looks like it might be Orient. It is ripe about 2 weeks after Bartlett here. It has very buttery and delicious flesh when ripe, but the peel is like leather and so it is an obstacle unless they are peeled. It does not get Fire Blight.

We usually pick pears by pressure test and the test we did on Thursday said they needed another week, but the did snap when I tilted them as clarkinks mentioned above.

One expert told me they are Moonglow, but the ripening period is wrong. Do you all think it could be Orient? Or if not that, then what?


#222

Red blushing bartlett are beginning to color up. These so called Bartlett’s are somewhat resistant to fireblight. They do ripen to perfection on the tree as few pears do. These pears turn yellow once they are ripe and do not rot internally.


#223

The outside to me looks like the Orient but smooth butter inside doesn’t match. My Moonglow peel looks smoother than the pear in your picture but is smooth on the inside. I Took a long time to say I don’t know. If in doubt ask @clarkinks.


#224

Can you show us some pictures of the tree? Leaves and bark will help.


#225

I was going to ask you about bark in figuring out culivars. My anti-Kieffer/orient? has a completely different looking bark to the orient/other box store pear so… who knows what trees I have!!! Don’t you really love these guessing games???


#226

Here are the two trees. They are between 30 and 50 years old and were almost dead when I moved in 23 years ago but I brought them back.


#227

Katy,
kieffer pears have that glossy foliage and the new growth is that green willowy looking bark. The problem is most fire blight resistant pears are bred from kieffer. With so many fire light resistant hybrids there is an awful lot of kieffers that really are not kieffer. Here is an example of the typical foliage.


Pears such as Duchess have that foliage also and other similar characteristics. Bloom time, fruit, and bark are a few ways we can try and identify them out of the thousands of pears out there. European pears for the most part look completely different and have thinner smaller leaves. Hopefully one day I can write it all down and take pictures but I’ve not found the time yet.


#228

Great looking trees. Try and get a close up of the leaves and bark if possible. By what I can tell so far it does look like a fireblight resistant hybrid. There are tons of them and not all of the information is well documented.


#229

Just for curiosity sake I’m going to take photos of the trunks of these two trees just because they are so different. One of them is a “reddish” mostly solid color and the other one has a mottled look with shades of red and “gray”. It may mean nothing to you but it’s just a curiosity. I’m basically happy with my tree Orient or Kieffer if it gives me nice pears and is disease resistant. I’ve picked one of these and eaten it and it’s a sweet good hard pear which is what I was looking for…it’s just not like the huge funny shaped hard fall pear I grew up with. The other two that I’ve bought that didn’t bloom (Orient? And Moonglow?) might be a surprise too and hopefully good ones. :blush:


#230

It is dark now but I will take pictures tomorrow.


#231

Here are some photos of my pear leaves and bark. Note that the tree has a lot of weeping tendency with long skinny branches that hang down with fruit on them.


#232

@clarkinks here are my pics. No pressure–just for fun out of interest.

Kieffer tag/Orient? Fruit

Orient Tag

Moonglow tag

Katy


#233

where are the squirrels when you need em? LOL. I NEVER thin my Orient (leaving enough for the wild animals) but when i came from vacation, i almost didn’t recognize the tree - the fruit swelled and the branches droop something serious!


#234

Looks great. Apparently the lesson to take away from this fruit growing experience is to go on more vacations. Lol

Anthony


#235

Katy,
On my smart phone now so I will look once I’m home today or tommorow and can see better on the computer. What I can tell already is that they all have sand pear in their genetics based on leaves and bark just like a kieffer. You might want to look at this old thread for a little more explanation Identifying pears by their leaves. I don’t have a mature orient pear but you can see the fruit at this site http://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?accid=%20PI+541954 . Many of these things in the description fit but the pictures leave me scratching my head "
Narrative
Orient (PI 541954).-Originated in Chico, California, by Walter Van Fleet, Plant Introduction Garden, U.S. Dept. of Agriculture. Introduced in 1945 through the Tennessee Agriculture Experiment Station. Pyrus communis x Pyrus sp. from China; direction of cross unknown; P.I. 64224. Fruit: nearly round, averaging 3 inches long and 2 3 / 4 inches in diam.; flesh firm, juicy, slightly sweet, lacking in flavor; good for canning; ripens 15-18 Aug. at Knoxville, Tennessee. Bruises easily when ripe; skin thick and tough, with rough finish; flesh creamy-white, good texture, mild flavor, grit near core, resistant to core breakdown. Tree: produces annual medium-sized crops; resistant to fire blight; mostly of interest in Tennessee and southward. - Brooks and Olmo Register of Fruit and Nut Varieties". The ripening times and everything else is right which in that location is August 15-18th and you would ripen slightly before that. This is more about kieffer https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?accid=%20PI+541714 "
Narrative
Grown from a seed of a Sand Pear by Peter Kieffer of Roxborough, Pennsylvania. Presumed to be a cross of Sand Pear and Bartlett. First fruited in 1863 and the first Sand Pear hybrid to assume importance. It is the standard by which other varieties of the group are judged. Fruit medium or larger in size, ovate in form, usually pointed at both stem and calyx ends. Skin greenish-yellow in color, often blushed dull red, numerous large russet dots. Flesh gritty, fairly juicy, tender but not fully buttery. Fair in dessert quality, quite satisfactory for culinary purposes. Improves in quality if harvested at the proper time and ripened at a constant tempeature of 65 degrees F. Tree fairly vigorous, moderately productive, somewhat resistant to fire blight. – H. Hartman, 1957.
About 1855 Peter Kieffer of Roxborough, Pa., planted seed from a Chinese Sand pear tree growing in his yard and generally considered to have been pollinated by a Bartlett tree nearby, from which the original Kieffer tree sprang. Possibly no other pear has been so loudly praised and yet so roundly cursed. For years after its introduction there were bitter battles waged over the blight proof character of the tree and the high quality of the fruit. But now that the smoke has cleared away and the issue is less befogged by violent discussion, the virtues and faults of the Kieffer can be more intelligently discussed. The large-sized, symmetrical, oval fruits, clear yellow in color, and often blushed on the side next the sun, are attractive to the eye, but the coarse, granular, though juicy, yellowish-white flesh is so lacking in flavor that it is rated by the palate as ‘poor in quality.’ For culinary use, however, Kieffer has virtues often forgotten or overlooked, for when canned its firm, white flesh is attractive and pleasing. There are rumors from time to time of Kieffer pears shipped to other countries to return in cans marked ‘Bartlett,’ so that perhaps the very man who decries the Kieffer the loudest is this moment loud in his praise of a canned Kieffer under the guise of ‘Bartlett.’ There is no ‘blight-proof’ pear. Kieffer is as blight-resistant as any, which amounts in some sections to the same thing as being blight-proof. Nurserymen delight in the free, vigorous growth of the trees, a habit that it does not cease when in the orchard. It comes into bearing young, is resistant to scale, and bears annually and abundantly. In fact, it is necessary to guard against the danger of overbearing, or the reward will be nothing but small-sized fruit. Because of the vigor of the tree and its tendency to overbear, it has come to be the system in sections to stub the trees every year. While this seems to be a necessary practice as the tree gets older, it will be found that the tree will come into bearing much earlier if it can be left to grow more to itself the first few years of its life and then be taken into hand before it gets beyond control. As for top-working the Kieffer, generally speaking the operation is a failure. Most success has been with very young trees. Possibly the chief virtue of the Kieffer pear is its adaptability to a wide range, and especially to the warm, dry sections of America, such as the South and the Middle West, where the European pear, adapted as it is to cool, moist regions, will not thrive. The nature of its seed parent exerts itself in its offspring, and the range of pear growing is thereby greatly extended. In some years, Kieffers are a glut on the market, but it is noticeable the producer of large-sized, well-matured fruits is neither worried nor affected by low markets. Blight has taken a heavy toll from Eastern pear orchards in recent years, so that the time may be approaching when a higher price will prevail generally. Yet it must be affirmed that where the better varieties can be grown it is a mistake to plant the Kieffer." With all that said there are hundreds of new hybrids and some of these unknown pears could be any of them.


#236

Good info @clarkinks. I ate one last night off the tree and it was actually “soft” ripe. Not like soft pears I’ve tasted but nothing like the hard pears I ate as a kid. It was more like those pears after we had wrapped and ripened them for a while. I’m not a pear aficionado—I don’t much care for grocery store pears… I haven’t tasted many home grown varieties.


#237

That picture from Outdoor334 and the description of Orient makes me think that is what my trees are. The only inconsistent point is that the description says they lack flavor. Mine have very good flavor once you get past the peel, but I think flavor is both subjective and varies a lot with climate and soil. In my location these do very well.


#238

Flavor analysis is dependent on the individuals taste. There are many other factors that impact taste such as location and soil content. Kansas grows great tasting pears and other fruits. We have heat here and enough of everything else. Your location may be like ours hot and dry most years and the person saying the flavor was not great may have been from a rainy place further north of here. Orient and kieffer are at their best in places like Kansas and further south. People in the north cannot properly grow red delicious either rather their apples taste like cardboard.


#239

Same here. I consider it to be an excellent tasting pear. Probably could use the peel for a shoe leather substitute.


#240

This year has produced few pears but the new trees are doing great. We may be able to grow pears better than some places but maybe not as good as others. Once in awhile we get a crop failure or years like this that are close to it. Total harvest will be a couple hundred pounds of pears.