the shape also just reminds me of some astringent kakis, idk i feel like theres genetic testing that could be done to just solve this quesiton
It took embryo rescue to make the only direct crosses we have and that was many decades after Geneva long came around
So it definitely takes a lot of believing that it’s actually a hybrid
Not that it and supposedly some (lost?) Etter crosses have been claimed variously as direct crosses
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anyway found this pic online, it looks a bit larger than prok to my eye
Though of course this is just 1 guys crop. 100-46 doesnt look really much smaller either
also i will note it looks like 100-46 often get to similar sizes well as well and is better liked for flavor. for one i found prok pretty bland.
Hi Simon,
That’s a beautiful fruit! I had wondered if its name inferred correctly, apparently it’s well named. Yes, I would love a couple of scions and be happy to pay you or exchange for what I have to offer. My plum and apple varieties are quite extensive but I have a few different persimmon varieties that are mature enough to share. I can pm you my varieties if you are interested. Should I send you a reminder in Feb?
Dennis
Kent, Wa
Yes, if you want to send me a reminder in February or March, that would be great. I would be interested in a list of your varieties. I would be happy to trade if you have something that I’m looking for. Plum varieties would be great too.
just be aware early golden seedlings tend to have male flowers if thats something youre avoiding
Here in southern middle TN my H63A ripened first fruits Aug 20. The rest ripened a couple weeks later.
I have a Prok but no fruit yet… should get some next year.
I have a Journey (hybrid) that is the first to ripen at Englands Orchard per Cliff. They may ripen for me late July, early August.
Mine may fruit next year.
It seems that some people really like Prok… and some dont. I expect it to do as well as it can here with my long hot season. Prok should finish ripening here long before it cools off.
TNHunter
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From what I’ve read on hardy varieties:
A-33 is “very early”, ripening weeks before Prok (mid USA latitude) but having a fruit of a firmer meatier texture like a date.
Journey and Mohler both start ripening a few days before Prok.
Mohler has a longer harvest window continuing after Prok – and different parentage, so you get a different flavor. Mohler fruit are medium size only. If it’s your backyard hobby orchard, you might like the long harvest window.
Garretson is early and hardy and child of Early Golden, just like many Claypool varieties, but selected by a different breeder, with medium-large fruit.
This list is ordered by ripening time in zone 5b, which means they set fruit:
- Prok, Yates, Early Golden, H-120, H-118, Morris Burton #3, Knightville, then Meader.
Red Fern Farm in zone 5b Iowa reportedly grew:
- Prok, Yates, Morris Burton.
My comment: I see some criticism of Morris Burton for alternate bearing or being disappointing.
Here are some being trialed by others in zone 4b or 5, but we don’t have fruit reviews yet:
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Meader, Prok, Szukis, 100-46, Early Golden and some seedlings.
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Mohler, Prok, Meader, Journey, Tin Cup, Deer Luscious, seedlings from Blue Hill.
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100-46, Juhl, Garretson, Valeene Beauty, Mohler. Early Golden.
My comment: I don’t think Lehman’s Delight 100-46 would complete a harvest in my Zone 4 except in really warm fall years like 2024.
I didn’t list others already mentioned several times unless they were in a bulleted list.
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my 2 cents:
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Morris Burton, which fruited here for the first time this year on a 3-year old graft, tasted great but it was tiny. I think I’ve picked bigger blackberries.
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Dollywood is tasty but I find the taste mild, which can be a good thing. Some American persimmons have such a strong flavor that I can only eat one or maybe two at a time. Dollywood’s flavor invited me to eat 4-5. Also Dollywood is relatively large and generally flawless.
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Dennis, you should grow H63a. It starts ripening here by late August.
I’ve grown tons of American persimmon varieties and only H118 and H63a are standouts in our climate among the ones I grew.
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