Anyone out there have a Winter Jon that has fruited? Have you noticed any drawbacks to the variety? What is the fruit like. So far it is the most disease and pest resistant apple in my orchard, though Gilpin may come close. I am thinking of planting another but if the fruit is highly acidic one may be enough. Nothing seems to touch it other than an occasional Japanese beetle. Yates also comes close but it seems to be attractive to aphids. Winter Jon has very thick and pubescent leaves, unlike most other apples I’ve seen so this may have something to do with it. I’m curious why more people don’t grow it. I’m located in the Piedmont of NC so lots of disease and pest pressure here.
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Wow. That’s an apple I’d not thought of in over 25 years… I bought a scion of it from the late Tim Hensley at Urban Homestead in Bristol VA, early in my growing career… I’ve got no idea, at this time, what became of my Winter Jon graft… or any of the other heirlooms that I got from Tim. I can’t even recall the last time I saw it mentioned in print…
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I planted a Winter Jon tree last fall which has proven to be quite precocious. It bloomed this spring and, despite usually not letting a first-year tree keep its apples, I left a couple of apples which have hung on thus far.
Winter Jon is supposed to be a very hardy here in the southeast (I am located in Western North Carolina). I had fireblight this year on a number of my other trees but not the Winter Jon. Hopefully it continues to be resistant to fireblight and other diseases. I am looking forward to adding it to cider!
I have a Yates too which has also done very well. It is only two years old and has started producing. No aphid issues with it this year but a deer has unfortunately been grazing it.
If you are in the Piedmont, perhaps you have gotten some of your apples from Horne Creek Farm in Pinnacle. They have an unbelievable number of heirloom varieties and have been a valuable source for me along with Big Horse Creek and Century.
Yeah I’d say aphids have been the number one pest for the last few years. I’ve been trying to get the ants to move somewhere else but there are just too many. They seem to target certain varieties more than others, with Father Abraham being the worst. I am going to pull it out even though I was looking forward to the fruit. I planted all standards so no fruit yet. Better for the deer though cuz I have tree guards and the branches are above their browsing height.
There have been some flowers, especially on the Hewe’s Crab, which has been the fastest grower for me, but I’ve been picking them off. I really didn’t expect Winter Jon to do so well here since it originated in the mountains but it proved me wrong. I have been ordering from Big Horse Creek and Century but so far I’ve only used the Horne Creek website as a resource. Do you know if they ship? I see they have tree sale days but its a bit of a drive.
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I also get some aphid pressure but it seems manageable thankfully. My own battle here in the mountains is with root-eating voles!
I don’t believe that they do ship but the trip over to their site just outside Winston-Salem is worth it. I was able to look around their orchard which was quite interesting especially if you pick up your trees in the fall when apples are ripening.
My Hewe’s Crab trees (2) slso put in good growth too.
I have a little Yates too and the ants seem to like it better here too than other varieties to herd their aphids. I have been been putting out a little Orthene right at the stem around. This seems to work, but I probably would not do this when the tree starts to fruit (would have to look up if Orthene is absorbed into the plant and what the residence time is.
Have you had any fruit on it yet? I read it is an old bitter sharp cider apple that also was used as a cooking and desert apple. This and the disease resistance that you report makes me want to plant one as well. Saw that Century Farms Orchard has it in his inventory sheet. So, I’ll probably source it there, but will ask David Vernon what he thinks about Winter Jon.
Here in Arizona Winter Jon fruited 1.5 years after planting. Sourced from David. Very precocious. Was able to eat two apples off it a couple weeks ago. Resembled Granny Smith a bit, just much smaller. Hoping it develops some more character after it grows a bit more. Good strong healthy tree. Have a feeling this will be a good old variety for multiple uses. Curious to see what David says about it.
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Diane Flynt from Foggy Ridge cider likes Winter Jon and has top-worked part of her orchard with it
She also mentioned it in her new book (have not read it yet). Foggy Ridge is in zone 5, so may not be best climate to ripen this apple to best quality
I asked David Vernon about Terry Winter, Gilpin and Winter Jon. He said they all grow well in North Carolina, heard that Terry Winter should do well further south, did not know if the other two would be fine in Northern Florida. In terms of taste, he likes them all, but maybe Terry Winter would generally considered the best of the three. Gilpin and Winter Jon have more tannins, Winter Jon is more acidic than the other two. Thought that Terry Winter would probably hold up best against summer rots, because it ripens latest.
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I have been reading Diane’s book. It’s good! I saw she was selling scions and emailed her. Really nice lady. They’ve already trimmed the trees so she has no scions to sell, but she has some Winter Jon available. I hope it does well for me, seems like an excellent cider apple.
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