Yuzu is delicious, and would still be grown even if not cold hardy.
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Poncirus trifoliata is equally as cold hardy as Flying dragon and makes an excellent root-stock for yuzu that grows 2 times faster than those on FD
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Itās not cold hardy, but has anybody besides me been dumb enough to try Citrus hystrix, makrut lime, the one thatās supposed to be for the leaves?
If trifoliate fruit is anything like that, I wouldnāt want to touch it to the tip of my tongue, let alone eat it.
makrut lime, formerly kifer limes. Juice and fruit also make it into thai food. I think the flavor profile is different. I wonder why Bifoliates like Makrut made it into the citrus genre but Trifoliates got booted to poncitrus. I know its just a name thing but it makes you humm.
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you could look into layering your yuzu for a bigger tree. I wonder what size it would be on its own roots? I wonder if thereās a good own-root reference to find out before trying. My Meyer lemon and Persian lime both came as rooted cuttings, I think Meyer lemon is known to do well that way but the lime surprised me when I picked it up
My first clumsy attempts to air layer it failed. Iām curious if others have had success doing so.
I also stabbed some cuttings in the ground. One remained with green leaves for 36 months or so, but when I went to transplant it, there were no roots. I was pretty surprised.
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wow, green for a while. I should have guessed youād already tried since itās such an obvious win
my potted yuzu on flying dragon (OGW) is going into year 3 and is 3ft tall, so itās growing about 1ft a year. no blooms yet
Youāve probably been more consistent at supplying water and nitrogen and excluding weeds.
Since I hadnāt seen this posted yet on this thread, here it isā¦
1 in 250 for a start isnāt bad in my opinion trying to select for cold hardiness in seedling citrus in Z6. Taking those seedlings and crossing to further sweeten the fruit in a second round seems like the way to go.
Iāll buy a good one, but Iāll leave the citrus breeding to the folks already working on it. Until then my trifoliate seedling is waiting for a graft in the front yard planting bed.
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If thatās the seller I think it is I bought 7 of them a few years back. They were pretty tiny, but have grown a lot and are all doing well. They have slightly narrower leaves than my pure trifoliates and the thorns also look different. I corresponded with the seller a bit to find out more info and apparently the original tree was grown by her father from seeds brought back from a market in China. It clearly is a trifoliate hybrid, and I donāt believe the seller is lying about them because the price was pretty reasonable. If they wanted to sensationalize and exaggerate the variety I think theyād be pairing that with higher prices.
I canāt see who the seller was from your link because itās outdated, but was it emilypostal2112? The following is a quote from what she wrote to me:
"According to my father, about 25 yrs. or so ago, during a trip to the backwoods of China. For the record, Iām not too sure what he meant by ābackwoodsā. The way my father spoke, that could have meant so many things. In any case, he claims heās just hanging around by some seaside market, watching the fishermen return with their catches. All of a sudden a fight breaks out between a few people who were bringing fruit down the mountainside in Ox carts, to sell at the market. Next thing you know, fruit is rolling along on the ground. Feet, hooves and wheels turn the fruit to a mushy pulp. So dad being the āplant manā that he is, starts scooping up seeds and sticking them in his pocket. That night, he tosses his dirty clothes in a laundry bagā¦ without checking his pockets.
He returns home, puts his stinky laundry bag out by the barn, to be dealt with at a later time. That night it rains, laundry bag now left to dry out for a few daysā¦ rains again, few more days go by. Life happens, bag forgotten. According to the story, about 2 months go byā¦ when he finally remembers his dirty laundry, he finds the bag lifted off the ground about 3", supported by about 20 very healthy lilā seedlings! He of course realized it was the seeds he had pocketed that had sprung to life. The tap roots so strong that they drilled right through the cloth material of the laundry bag. He dug up all the lilā fellas and planted them in various places throughout the yard, about 1/2 of them passedā¦ but the ones that survived, thrived.
My father would tell this story of how his Fruit of the Looms helped to grow strong and tall, by keeping the tree warm throughout the coldest nights. Heād point out the fabric, still entwined with the grapefruit tree, the tree that had been left in
itās original place next to where the barn once stood. This of course, was my fathers taleā¦ what seems more likely however, was that he mailed the seeds back home to him-self, he did that kinda thing quite often.Well thatās the story, I realize it doesnāt help much in understanding the exact origin of the plant, but perhaps all my family is supposed to know is that my dad grew some real fruit out of his looms! Actually, out of those seeds grewā¦ the grapefruit type tree, a lemon/lime type, and what I think is the coolestā¦ a lilā orange tree! "
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It was from emilypostal2112
Honestly my fruiting trifoliate produces from that are smaller than a golf ball. If this survives here and produces a larger fruit Iād be happy.
I got 3 of them and they are all growing quite well (in a pot in my basement currently).
Scott
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Hi,
I am trying Ichandrin and Sudachi here in VA not far from you. I got the trees from OGW.I placed them inground last summer. I wanted to see if they would grow here unprotected.
Dave
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Let us know how they do. Rabbits decapitated my Sudachi, set it way back 
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The sudachi is excellent and grows in very cold locations. You can grow them unprotected in zone 8, but it gets iffy in zone 7. I like sudachi so much I chose to grow it even in an area where you can grow the more sensitive lemons. They are rather small but taste as good as a lime. The reason they have no off taste is itās a hybrid of a mandarin and an yuzu. Thereās no off taste become it doesnāt have trifolata in its parentage. Itās often grafted to a trifolata rootstock, but this doesnāt negatively impact the taste of the sudachi. There are quite a few fairly hardy citrus that grow in chilly winter locations of Japan and South Korea, particularly Jeju Island. The hardy citrus that donāt taste so good typically are trifolata hybrids. Thereās also something called a kabosu that shows great promise in zone 8.
Have you ever tried a carrizo citrange? I have a really big specimen in a pot about ready to fruit probably next year. Iām trying to decide if itās worth planting it in the ground or giving it to a friend. I would probably keep it if someone tells me itās good for making a ālemonadeā drink. Iāve heard the Morton citrange is excellent for this kind of application. Iām just wary of the āoffā bitter taste so many trifolate hybrids are known to have.
Sorry I have not perhaps someone else has
Best description of eating corrizo/phelps citrange fruit is The fruit should carry a warning label: Caution you are not really being poisoned - it just tastes that way.
I would agree with that. I once licked a citrange fruit and could not wash the terrible taste out of my mouth no matter how hard I tried.
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What about the Morton? I tasted one of those that was growing near Hemet. There was nothing āoffā about the flavor from the fruit on that tree. Just tasted like a very sour lemon. I definitely could have used it for culinary applications, making salad dressings, lemonade, marmalade. So the carrizo has that trifolate taste?
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Iām glad to hear you liked the āMortonā. Your experience matches what Iāve read elsewhere. I have two of them, but still waiting to taste them for the first time as they have not yet bloomed. They are doing well though (in ground). Theyāre so hardy Iād like to try crossing them to the reputedly sweet but bland āChangshaā. I think that cross would be a win since the āChangshaā is one of the hardiest non-trifoliate based Citrus and could actually benefit from being more acidic as the resulting hybrids would inevitably be.
Sounds like a good idea worth trying. Iām currently germinating 100 ichandrin to trial around Oregon and Washington. I want to get data back on how seedlings fare up here. Iām also germinating 50 flying dragon to do some grafting next spring. My idea is to give them to people and have them report back. I think the yuzu should probably do 2 winters in a greenhouse before attempting a winter outside. Or maybe not. I donāt know yet. Donāt you have a botanical garden thatās sometimes open to the public? If so, Iād be interested in seeing what you have growing.
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