not.
This is Horizon
oh i know it’s not Horizon, was just wondering if you had any guess what it actually was. I suppose that will be impossible to know for sure
yeah just send pics to Pense and he will make it right… im not going to order from them again due to the wrong plants sent too many times…even though he makes it right its just a waste of time. Their quality control isnt very good.
Anyone know whether the following are out of patent? I have a bunch of suckers and plants that have rooted after the canes fell over and I’m wondering if I can donate those plants to an upcoming CRFG plant sale.
Apache - seems like it is out of patent since the patent was filed in 2001?
Natchez - https://myblackberryplants.com/varieties/natchez seems to indicate it is still within the 20 year patent period?
Boysenberry (Thornless) - this one didn’t have a cultivar name apart from this info. I found https://myblackberryplants.com/varieties/boysenberry but unclear if it’s the same thing.
Navaho - Seems like it should be out of patent per https://myblackberryplants.com/varieties/navaho
Prime Ark Freedom - seems like the patent was filed in 2016 so it should still be under patent…?
As an aside, the website I linked a few times above seems to suggest Ouachita as a replacement for both Apache and Navaho.
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Here is better information on the U of Ark ones on dates of patents etc.
Thornless Boysenberry was created in New Zealand in the 1980’s.
It has been brought up before by some with no real answer if Thornless Boysen tastes the same as thorned Boysen… this paper says ‘not’…on the history of its breeding… as they used the Lincoln Logan gene to create the spinelessness…and the taste of Logan bled over to the new cross.
However taste is subjective…and YMMV.
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since I have 40+ varieties in my small back yard, the plan was always to start figuring out which ones to get rid of
I think I may have the first one up on the chopping block, “Whitebark/BlackCap Black Raspberry”
I have three of them growing in containers in different parts of my yard (different sun/shade differences), and only one of them is making any berries, and of the one that is, it is only four total berries on the entire plant.
Is this normal for this variety? Seems to be not worth the space it takes up if so
Also they don’t seem to be sending up any new primocanes at all!
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They are nice to find foraging in the wild. Not good for production really.
I love how spiny they are…but i can see thats also why nobody wants to grow them as well.
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as you know I don’t care how thorny it is, but only 4 berries total from three separate plants is gonna be a “no” for me I think!
(Unless production suddenly picks up?)
Also what’s with the no primocanes?
Maybe ask chatGPT? Then ask on social media?
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I was talking to a friend in Indonesia and they have a raspberry that does well there. Anyone know the species that is commonly grown there? It sounds promising for the Houston area. Based on Google maybe Rubus chrysophyllus. Anyone try growing them?
Indiana Berry has it for $7.25. They are regional to me and where I buy most of my bare root plants. Good consistent quality of plants.
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@RobertH … i ordered 3 Kiowa from Isons…
They billed me for 3… got them in yesterday… 5 in the package.
One was a little small… but the other 4 good size.
Happy !
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Enjoy! Always a nice surprise when you receive more plants than you ordered.
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I ordered 5 thornless black raspberries from Nourse. It gives me something to do and try and breed with this one. I almost ordered some rubus seeds of various species, but I think I’m going to delay that. I have a lot on the table right now.
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Let us know how Tahi does
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I tried to see if Gurneys Born Free is the same plant but saw no info. It probably is. Gurneys sells via Home Depot but prices are crazy expensive. If anybody is looking for Kiwi Gold home Depot has 95 plants via mail order.
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just got some sugara rasp. and ballonberry seeds from organicseed.top out of Ukraine. they have alot of seed unique to that region. just before you place a order, be sure you call your bank so they dont flag your order. they send lots of freebies also.
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I am pretty sure you meant Sugana - red primocane from EU
And you can settle the balloon berry R illecebrosus info since it is all over the place…
“seeds ripen into fruit in late summer. Some report that the fruit is sweet and edible raw or cooked. Others feel the fruit is sour or bitter and inedible. The flavor seems to improve when the fruit is cooked.”
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yep. the label was uneven so i couldnt see it well. i figured its worth a try. paid very little for them considering were its coming from.
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a few updates from my garden:
I found leaf damage on my Prime Ark Freedoms and Obsidian, and a huge caterpiller muching down on the obsidian leaves. This brings back memories of last year finding huge alien-like hornworms on my tomato plants. I wonder if the blacklight trick will work on whatever these are?
Also I finally figured out why my three containers of Sweetie Pie still haven’t even made flower buds yet, even after the Triple Crowns started: They’re not actually Sweetie Pie. Surprise… yet again. I found this out only because when I was at Lowe’s yesterday, I noticed a very nice looking blackberry plant labeled as “Sweetie Pie”, that looked nothing like the ones I have, and it was in FULL bloom! It was priced at $30, which I feel like was a great deal for such a well established and healthy looking blackberry bush:
Now the question is “what the heck did Hello Organics” ship me last year? Whatever it is, it’s thornless and later than even triple crown…
Is there this much plant mis-labeling in the other fruit worlds, or is this problem just worse in blackberries?
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