I ‘had’ it 3 times.
1)Kreigers Nursery- is not Loganberry. Perhaps it is Logan Blackberry but not the hybrid. Was shipped an obvious blackberry that grows erect and suckers and spreads making it even worse. Pulled before fruiting.
2)Isons- Is some kind of mutation. Canes grow insane but very thin… and berries are tiny and dark colored. No clue what it is. Maybe a Loganberry seedling.
3)From a lady that grows them in New England. Turned out to be Boysenberry.
My guess is that Isons and Kriegers do not grow them out and have no idea what they are selling people.
I dont see chasing thorny Loganberry… the thornless ones make nice sized berries and they seem to be true enough to the original to not be bothered by thorns.
Newberry>Boysen>ThornlessLogan>Wyeberry>Phenomenal>ThornlessBoysen… all are similar being rasp/blackberry hybrids but if you grow Newberry the rest arent really worth fooling with unless you have a strange hobby. YMMV but thats where i am at with it.
Newberry even on paper is one of the cold hardiest… so theres that to boot. The flavor is many times over better than the rest in my climate and growing conditions…
Looks nice PcChip! I like using cattle panels like that so I can just weave canes instead of zipties. I love it, but I’ve found laterals can be a pain. This year working with Kiowa canes was scary as well, not only are they thorny monsters, but their stiffness made worry they’d snap if I bent them much.
yeah I also have a monster Kiowa “bush” up against a fence that is kept in check with T-posts and metal wire (basically the “normal” trellis system everyone uses for blackberries)
I found something by accident this past week… i guess if you grow several hundred plants that you get a look at some stranger things.
A cane that i had started training horizontally on a wire somehow got injured by bending in half and a leaf had fallen on that injury. That injury formed roots.
This is no different from layering or root balls or what not… But in the later phase of a primocane (september or thereabouts for me) an erect variety or otherwise hard to tip root could be propagated fairly easily.
I think a lateral or bent cane that you would likely prune at a later date anyways that would be injured in late sept/early oct by bending in half but not broken off (or marred with a pinching of pliers) and wrapped with something light like moist leaves… would callus and form roots.
I have seen many variations with folks wrapping tin foil with potting soil and all kinds of things… but i think just a leaf wrapped with cling wrap would be plenty easy to try.
Worst case scenario its fun to try… and not much effort involved.
This was just a leaf from a tree which was growing nearby? Are you still able to identify what species of tree the leaf came off of? I am wondering if there are any special chemical properties on the surface of that species of leaf which contributed to the accidental success.
In an older post on another subject i posted pics of trees and various seedlings growing in leaf filled gutters… also In orchards that have landscape fabric in the rows brambles tip root… seedlings grow and just about everything grows in common leaf litter. However for purpose of discussion folks use peat moss, woodchips, bark… just about everything to root cuttings. Stimulating roots needs nothing much more than moisture and a bit of shade. The most agressive rooting i have seen was from tip rooting in moist grass…
Yeah, Kiowa at least has good erectness, so for me a double row system with just two wires about two feet apart horizontally, with plenty of posts, has been effective enough. I’m switching to a different, more vertical system next year that’s a single row, but I’m a little worried I won’t be able to keep Kiowa narrow enough.
If you need Kiowa to be thin and vertical, then you could trellis it like Dr Powell from Petals from the Past, they call it the “TPUPS” method. Plenty of youtube videos about it, but basically they just run two wires and select side-shoots on each level (one left, one right)
I think it almost looks like how people do espalier apple trees, and they exclusively use Kiowa
This is a 2 year old row of Victory in the front… that i just let do as it wanted between 2 wires… then when dormant i went in violently and shaped it to height and width… and it gave me more berries than i could handle plus 2 neighbors picking daily.
I like my ‘pinball’ trellis… that all i have to do is let the cane rest on either wire… or i can train them to head towards one wire or the other.
I also believe that each of those gazillion leaves are like solar panels loading up energy to the crown and roots… then when i dormant prune those sugars are stored in the crown and root for a full explosion of growth and heavy fruit set in the spring.
Dr. Powell removes most of that potential energy and the plants natural defenses I think. Likely at the cost of having to add commercial fertilizer and irrigation which i do not use much of…or hardly any at all on mature plants. I mentioned before that i wait mostly on ‘spent’ canes until the leaves all fall off or they go fully dead…that is also free fertilizer and free sugars.
There is no wrong way or right way… not really. I have seen the total opposite with 1 T-post behind one crown and the canes tied around the 1 T-post as if it were a blackberry tree. Really neat idea i think…and very aesthetic.
I visited a local farmers blackberry rows last month… barbed wire for top wire and he ties them with baling twine. No weeding at all… the rows look horribly bad with weeds. However he has nice crops and his wife makes all the jams and jellies that they want and they sell them and give away locally in the community. Thats what its all about anyways.
Lame for everyone else, but a milestone for me. First berry. Welcome to the world, little berry!
I didnt expect anything until next year when I started this hobby two months ago, but these rambunctious everbearers are still going in the extended warm weather in northern California (weather is unusually warm and still in the low 70s). Ive got a couple dozen blossoms over three plants that look promising.
I tried years ago some stuff with distilled. Weird things happened. Plants didn’t do as well. So i typically use purified water if i have a jug. I have a no salt water softener system at my house now and it provides minerals still.
