Chickasaw Plum Inventory

The plum season is in full swing here, with some trees finishing up and others going strong. This year’s thoughts.
The biggest issue continues to be plum curculio. I got good control in one location with one spray of Sevin (zeta-cypermethrin) and very poor control in my other location with the same one spray. Next year I’ll use two, which I used in the past with good success.
Brown rot has been a non-issue this year, no doubt helped by some dryer weather during ripening. I used two sprays of propiconazole.

Robusto continues to be the most productive plum by far and the one least attractive to PC. It has produced clean fruit at a 25 to 1 ratio over any other tree. Some fruit cracking, but not severe. Flavor has been poor to good. I should have thinned it more; the heavy crop load probably impacted the flavor.

Toole’s heirloom is a very vigorous tree on its own roots. Production hasn’t been great but the plums flavor and size this year have been significantly better than previous years, ranging from good to very good.

Odom set a good crop on a vigorous tree. Flavor has ranged from poor to ok. Lots of PC damage.

Guthrie set a small crop and was ravaged by aphids, again. I could spray for them but eventually the lady bugs show up and get them under control. Moderate PC damage. Flavor good to very good, with the very best having that peachy flavor that’s both different (for a plum) and quite good.

Drag Queen set a decent crop. Most vigorous tree I have. Very attractive to PC and birds. Flavor good to very good. A very pretty tree and very pretty plums when ripe.

From top to bottom: Drag Queen, Robusto, Guthrie, and a seedling plumcot. Somehow I managed to eat the Toole’s Heirloom before getting the picture.

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Haldog posting his evaluation of Drag Queen reminded me to post mine:

Drag Queen Plum First Impressions: I’m calling this post “First Impressions” because this is the first plum my Drag Queen has ripened for me, and it’s the only one which got pass the birds this year.
Drag Queen is a purple leaf strain which started out as a seedling from the Guthrie Chickasaw Plum (Prunus angustifolia). Presumably the pollen parent is a purple leaf cherry plum (Prunus ceracifera). It came to me as a root sucker from the mother tree which a FB friend of mine in North Georgia owns (Haldog).

My tree is still young and hasn’t bloomed much yet. The jury is still out on whether that’s a product of immaturity or a product of it not getting enough chilling hours in my 9A climate. I will probably have a better sense of that after next spring.

What flowers this tree has produced have been pale pink, nearly white. They are quite large for plum flowers, especially so when one parent is a chickasaw cultivar. Chickasaw plums have very small blooms as a group.

What plums this strain does make are red when little and tend to get eaten by birds due to their color.
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Anything I say about the ripe fruit is based off of one plum, one season. It really is a first impression without much to go by. As you can see from the photo the plum ripened to a rich Burgandy red. To be honest, based on the description from the other person with this strain, I was expecting the fruit to ripen to more of a purple color than it has. (This was a surprise but not necessarily a bad one.) The flesh was a bright yellow which was also a big surprise to me. There is a waxy bloom which had rubbed off this specific plum by the time I got my phone out to take a photo. It was probably about an inch in diameter, maybe a little more. The size was in line with what I got from Guthrie when I had that plum. It’s about the same size as the smaller Sprite plums I’ve gotten and bigger than the Auburn University Cherry Plums I’ve gotten.

This plum was very ripe when I ate it. The flavor was very much what I would expect from a very good red chickasaw cultivar. Texture is soft and super juicy like a soft ripe chickasaw cultivar. Flavor is sweet with just a hint of tart. The flavor was plumy rather than peachy.

I have two grafted babies I plan to sell in the fall if the deer don’t completely eat them to the ground. I can only recommend this variety as an ornamental based on the fact that due to color of immature fruit, I think the birds will get most of the little plums when they are pea size most years even if the tree gets a good fruit set. However, the plum is good for fresh eating when soft-ripe. (Purple leaf plums have a reputation for being very tart as a group, but this plum was quite sweet.)


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Have you ever looked into what the cultivar it is the Auburn university P. Angustifolia used in their AU plum breeding program? It lists as Starcher #1 but I can’t find any info on it. Also, if you ever wanna get rid of any seeds from that Drag Queen plum, I’d pay for shipping. A Myrobalan x Chickasaw plum rootstock would make a great plum rootstock for the south. It would be back crossed to Chickasaw I’m sure coming from your orchard so would be 75% P. Angustifolia 25% Myrobalan. Southern plums are the future of the rootstock breeding in the south for peaches with resistance to PTSL and armillaria rot. The last two rootstocks released for down here were Sharpe which is a plum hybrid of unknown parentage found in Florida and MP-29 which is a P. Umbellata x peach hybrid.

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I hope to have lots of Drag Queen seed next year, and would be glad to ship it to you @Brettray1981. The most likely pollen parent would be another chickasaw cultivar but I also have a seedling plumcot in my orchard and another purple leaf plum.

A chickasaw cultivar like N.C. McKibben or Toole’s Heirloom. But if you can get a sucker of Algonquin from Joan, that would work the best. Have it on its own root, and it will make babies which would likely make good rootstock for other plums in the future.

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Most of my plums will likely have chickasaw or flatwoods plum as a pollen parent. Most seedling from my yard are likely to be kind f meh.

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I am on the coast near Wilmington NC. The tree is loaded down with fruit every year that we dont get a late frost. This tree blooms early. As Far as chill hours, i would guess the requirement for this tree would be low. 200 to 300 hours.

I have an update and its not good. I went to visit the young couple who bought the property where this tree is located. They sprayed underneath it with roundup to kill the weeds and pretty much killed the tree. It had set runners in the outer perimeter and I dug as many as i could. 7 out of the 11 dug are thriving, plus the 4 year old I have planted in the orchard. Whew!

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Oh wow! So sorry to hear! What a loss. If you are willing to part with one of the ones you dug I will be happy to give it a home this winter. The best way to preserve the strain long term would be for my nursery friend Louisiana, Larry Stephenson, to get one. That way it becomes commercially available and gets spread to lots of people. Thanks.

Marcus Toole

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I’m glad you were able to save some runners - so unfortunate to hear that the mother tree may be lost. I also hope you can share some of this material with others so that it can be grown on and help preserve this unique germplasm!

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I am interested in planting some Chickasaw plums this fall. Does anyone have any suckers or scions that I could get started with? I would be happy to compensate for the trouble. Thanks!

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This is the tree that died by Roundup?

yes

Spring will be here soon, and ill be able to see what survived the worst winter i can ever remember.
Regardless, there will be plenty once my 5 year old starts sending up suckers.
The loss of the mother tree was devastating. i really haven’t wanted to talk about it, but i am encouraged by everyone who wants to help preserve her legacy.

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How many generations of your family is shared with this tree? I assume you are a member of the tribe?
Dennis

I don’t know where my dad got it from.

The plums are in full bloom here, with some of them just past peak and others not quite there. It was good to see Drag Queen, in the photo, in full bloom this year so perhaps it is finally matured. I’m hoping to time my plum curculio sprays better this year, and remember to order nematodes for next year.

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Very, very pretty!

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This thread has been fascinating to read. Can anyone update as to how they all did this season?

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Note that this was an exceptionally good year for plums in Statesboro, GA. As beautiful as Drag Queen is when it blooms, the unusually cool winter we had demonstrated that won’t ever get enough chilling hours to bloom properly here. I can count on 500 hours, and I received about 650 last winter. It still bloomed in spits and spats. It makes a soft sweet plum similar to other chickasaw cultivars. It’s not as peachy as its Gulfrie parent, but it still was moving in that chickasaw flavor direction. You would be in a much better climate for it than I am. Chickaw plums should do fine in Maryland, especially if you are near sea level. Their roots only go down about six inches, so as long as the top foot of soil isn’t soaked, they should work on a chickasaw root.

Toole’s Heirloom produced a bumper crop this year for the first time in years. We have become too warm for it to bloom properly most years. It needs 600 chilling hours or more to be productive. They are Hawaiian Puch flavored Juce bombs when fully ripe. But if you let it overcrop, the plums will be tasteless. It likes to overcrop. Fruit thinning will be a must in a slightly cooler climate with a good pollenizer around.

Sonny’s Yellow made its biggest crop ever. If you have a good pollinizer for it, it requires vigorous fruit thinning. Guthrie may be a little better tasting as far as yellow fruited chickasaws go, but Gurthrie is a heck of a lot more reliably productive and appears to be a lot more disease resistant. This and Ms. Bessie are the only two cultivars which we know for sure are cross fertile with some other Chickasaw cultivars and chickasaw X Asian plum hybrids. Sonny’s Yellow is cross fertile with Ms Bessie and Flea Market.

I removed Flea Market because the plums are hit or miss. The plums which ripen first are tasteless with the late ripening ones being super good. The issue may be that the tree was getting too much shade. Anyway, I removed it. I’m pretty sure its a hybrid and it may very well have really been the hybrid cultivar known as Bruce.

I have cut all the N.C. McKibben branches out of my original N.C. McKibben. That tree just has the Robusto and Excesior branches I grafted into it. N.C. McKibbem doesn’t make particularly tasty plums, and the brown rot real bad. It makes fabulous rootstock, and that’s its best and highest use in my view.

Ridgeland is still my favorite plum in the flavor department. The tree made a huge crop. It’s another one where you have to keep on top of thinning fruit in part because it sets a lot of fruit but also because the plums are so big. It’s very early blooming and require an early blooming chickasaw plum for pollination. It may bloom to early blooming to escape late frosts in your climate, but if you are close to the coast or close to the tidewater areas around DC all the water near you may tap down spring temperature swings to make it work for you, at least most years. The tree kind of wants to stay small for me.

I removed Guthrie because the leaf scald (disease) got so bad on it, that it stopped producing and was just a source of pathogen for the other plums. The plums have the peachiest flavor of all the cultivars. They are smaller than the plums made by most of the other cultivars, but they were truly delicious. It might work really well for you. I don’t think I had a great pollinizer for it. I know for a fact that Sonny’s Yellow doesn’t work, but it seems to pollinize Sonny’s Yellow.

Odom, makes the biggest plums of any of the Chickasaw strains I’ve grown so far. They also ripened the latest, July here. However, it was never productive and the plums were often quite tasteless. When there aren’t very many plums and they are still tasteless, that’s a bad sign that the tree isn’t ever going to produce great plums.

I plan to add at least branch of two chickasaw strains somewhere this year. I found a yellow one I’m calling Georgia Nectar. The plums are super huge and have a flavor profile which makes me think that it is an accidental hybrid. But the tree definately looks like a chickasaw cultivar. The tree has a lot of plums on it this year. I don’t know what it would do after a more normal winter temperature wise. The plums are big, canary yellow, egg shaped, much more fleshy in texture than is typical in chickasaw cultivars, and has almost an honoedew melon flavore in my view. The plums are about the side of “jumbo” chicken eggs. It will take a few years of evaluation, but this plum may replace Sonny’s Yellow as the best yellow plum for my climate. For one thing we have to see how well it sets fruit after a warm winter.

We just found a new red plum. The plums are so big that it could in theory be a Bruce, but I think this tree may actually be too old to be a Bruce. Bruce was released by Texas A & M in 1972. This tree is pushing 40 ft tall and about 2 ft in diameter at breast height. There is a very good chance that its pushing a hundred years old. I’ve only seen pictures of the fruit. I plan to go see the tree in person this week. Based on photos I’ve seen, I don’t think it’s grafted, but I’m not at all confident that I would be able to tell on a plum tree that big and old. Based on the photos the plums appear to be about the size of commercial plums or Odom. According to the owners of the property, the plums ripen too early and have a wonderful peachy flavor. Peachy flavor definitely implies a chickasaw strain, and I have never once heard of the flavor of Odom or Bruce being described as peachy. (Odom tastes like super dilute sugar water to me.) If I have ever had a Bruce, it was Fea Market. I have Asian types and hybrid plums I can describe, but these are the ones I have or have had direct experience with. Thanks.

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