East Texas Growing

Most of them do well. Some fruits tend to get mushy and I’m still not sure what causes that but it may be the humidity. Some varieties are less likely to do that. @marten could speak to this better than I can because he grows jujubes in a dry area and a humid zone.

Many jujubes tend to split their skin after a rain and because we get more rain here than the arid regions we do get a lot of cracking on a wet year.

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I’m hoping that my Li (x2 from Starkbros and an airlayer from eBay, probably actually different cultivars…), my Sugarcane and my Honey Jar are decent…

Even if I get half the normal production that’d be a lot, although I hope for more.

Pedro

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Mushiness in jujubes. My trees are all young and last year was the first experience I had with any “mushy” fruit, and @k8tpayaso is the source for all my knowledge about the phenomenon outside of limited personal experience.

In North Georgia, the only trees affected were two Honey Jars. Maybe 10% of the fruit was affected. The affected fruit looked totally normal in every way, except that they had the firmness of a ripe sour cherry (pretty mushy). I didn’t try any of the mushy ones, but just picked them and tossed them.

In Vegas, I had a few mushy jujubes on my Chico last year, but only like two or three. I tasted one, and it tasted like nothing – no sweetness, no tartness, no bitterness, just nothing. No other trees were affected.

The idea that it is climate-related strikes me as a reasonable guess, but I don’t really know for sure. Whatever it is, it doesn’t seem to be a major problem in either location.

I will note that in Georgia, a jujube that is not picked after ripeness will soon rot on the tree like most other fruit, whereas in Vegas, it will sun-dry into perfectly delicious date that will hang there and remain harvestable for months (if a bird doesn’t eventually swipe it).

Cracking. This is a total non-issue in Vegas for me so far. In the desert climate, the only cracked fruit I’ve seen had their injury started by bird pecks. In Georgia, cracking is more of a problem, and the bigger jujubes (like Autumn Beauty) seemed to be affected worse. Honey Jar and So were affected less.

I agree that the issue is related to rainfall, but I think it has more to do with the variability of rainfall than the absolute amount of water – like from having a heavy rain after a couple weeks without. This is because my Vegas trees are constantly getting all the water they could possibly want, and are irrigated twice or more per day throughout the summer, to the point that the soil is almost always wet or damp. Despite basically unrestricted access to water, their fruit does not crack. My hypothesis is that if you irrigate your trees on a regular schedule (which for my Georgia trees, I do not) then cracking would not be a problem.

Notably, my Georgia Chicos did not have any cracking. This is surprising because the more experienced jujube growers usually point to Chico as being a bit prone to it – and it does produce larger-than-average-sized fruit.

Productivity. In absolute terms, my Vegas trees are more productive, but they are also much bigger (likely an effect of unlimited sun + unlimited water + extra-long growing season). In relative terms, controlled for tree size, I think the North Georgia trees are just as productive.

Jujube fruit size is (so far) noticeably bigger in Vegas. This is remarkable because basically every other type of fruit that I grow in Vegas produces relatively dwarfed fruit compared to the same fruit grown in Georgia. I think it’s a testament to jujubes’ tolerance for extreme heat – the jujubes continue to grow right through the 115+ degree summer days, while most other trees shut down or even start to go into dormancy.

A day’s harvest of jujubes from the Georgia trees (the smaller ones are Honey Jar and the larger sliced ones are Li or Sugarcane):

IMO, jujubes are a tasty, easy fruit to grow and the trees are very resilient and low-maintenance while being precocious and productive. I wouldn’t hesitate to grow them in your location. If you haven’t discovered @BobVance 's jujube threads yet, you should check them out for much more in-depth information.

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Just ordered a Contorted Jujube (So) from Edible Landscaping, so it will be a Dave Wilson tree.

Getting the jujube obsession lol

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All the muscadines I’ve planted so far have died from the heat. I have a lot of things to water though so I’m going to keep trying.

Hit me up when you start to add apples. I’m growing 4 different varieties that are from Texas.

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Awesome. What are the varieties, if you don’t mind me asking?

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Holland/kincaide
Reverend morgan
Jonalicious
And either San Jacinto or Brogden (cant remember)

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Next week dome weather apps predict 17F here. I sure hope my very young Asian persimmons survive…

What about you guys?

It’s supposed to get down to 20-24f here, so not too bad. The only thing I expect to have to cover or move is some citrus, and some wild grapes from south Florida (vitis shuttleworthii) that are subtropical and thus bud out and start growing way too early in the year.

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Hi East Texas growers!

When are your Asian Persimmons getting out of dormancy? Mine, all planted last year, have not awakened yet and almost everything else has, including jujubes.

Is this normal?

Yes normal. Persimmons are late to come out of dormancy. That’s a good thing because they are like grapes and mulberries, very freeze sensitive on the new foliage and flowers.

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A few of my persimmons are beginning to wake up and it surprises me. Most are still well asleep and will likely be for a couple of weeks at best. I have seen young ones wait until May or later before budding out.

That’s awesome to avoid late freezes like snowmaggedon!

The problem with “snowmageddon” is that it was cold enough to kill some of them while they were still dormant!! :flushed:. But yes, they mostly avoid late freezes.

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Let’s thank God that events like that are not normal for us… Maybe once every 30 years…

@QuirkyKimbo you might like this thread.

Katy

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The only persimmon I have that has leafed out is Prok.
My Early Jewel, 2 unnamed wild, and wonderful are still asleep. One of those wilds are going to get grafted to Lehman’s delight(since last year didn’t take), when it decide to rejoin the world of the living.

But yes they are frustratingly late to awaken unless it’s an Asian variety.

I’m still surprised that my Prok came to before Early Jewel.

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SW AR here. I have had a couple Fuyu persimmon and they are very prone to late freezes - but it was some type of blight that killed them both. Giant fuyu right next to them was unaffected.

I have a variety of peaches and none of them is anywhere near no spray.

Apples so so no spray. Have had entire crops destroyed by brown rot. I recommend earlier maturing so they arent ripening during late summer, early fall drought.

Muscadines do well. Net or no pick

Blackberries do well. Build a batting cage over them to keep out birds.

Figs will get killed back to ground in cold weather.

Elderberry a good growing southern crop in non basic soil

Keifer and moonglo killed by blight. Shenseiki made it OK but has not produced viable fruit

Did away with my plums - waste of time for me

Coons, possums, squirrels get it all

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And deer.

My greatest anti varmint treatment is a pack of dogs. And a couple of cats help too. NOTHING is foolproof!

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