Grafting thread 2021

I’ve only tasted two, and they were very different but both good: Mexicola (from a Latino market, tasted very creamy and rich) and @Marta’s Royal-Wright (she shared a very early dropped fruit from a late winter wind storm, it tasted almost more like a West Indies type, not bad at all though). I don’t think there is any one flavor for the Mexican subspecies since it’s got significantly more genetic diversity than the Guatemalan or West Indies types. Marta reviews a few different ones here:

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Wow thats interesting!! Thanks for sharing!!

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Good job! it’s always worth a try, I’ve found, if you can still find some green cambium. Most of my grafting attempts actually fall into the same category of rescue attempts. Low odds, but it can be fascinating , and also gives you a few tricks to try when all else looks grim. This year my potted rootstocks in storage all got girdled by rodents (a long story). I decided to just handle them as if I was air layering, and I only lost one (the one with the promising Almond graft, naturally)

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Persimmon Grafts Here is one grafted last year that has fruit on it.



Prok

The leader in growth so far this year.
6-5-21

6-11-21

Gave those sap sucking psyllas a shot of seven after the pics !

6-20-21

It’s thinking about blooming.

First try at the drill method, NG/Thor on lg native male (my wife didn’t (let)want me to cut down). Grafted on 6-5-21

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This is my first time hearing about Thor x NG. What’s that one like?

Don’t know yet, one of Don Comptons creations. Pictures of the fruit looked acorn like, something like Geneva Long. Has male and female flowers. I started one last year but only got male flowers so far this year. When it fruits I’ll be glad to report.

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Sounds like a good candidate for breeding. I’ll definitely be following your progress. Most fruiting persimmon varieties don’t produce male flowers. I’m actually struggling to grow a tree that can pollinate some of my pollination variant trees.

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Update to message 499 above from me @Franp and @Rosdonald :
I cut the scion in half that had the stalled top growth. The cut scion had one bud remaining… After a few weeks that one remaining bud is growing.

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Chocolate persimmon produces mostly male flowers.

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I ran across a good deal on 3 gallon size Assads Semi-Dwarf Citron Trees and I bought 5
Not knowing what I was going to do with Citrons I went about grafting 20 different Citrus varieties to them including
Frost Valencia
Shirokolistvennyi Satsuma
Clemenules Clemintina
Frost Owari Satsuma
Sue Linda Temple Tangor
Torroco #7 Blood Orange
Cara Cara Navel
Skaggs Bonanza Navel
Nippon Orangequat
Iyo Mikan Tangor
Rio Grand Navel
Mato Buntan Pummelo
Mexican Lime
And
Millsweet Limetta

Here is one I started grafting in May

Here is a Cara Cara and Skaggs Bonanza on another

Don’t know where I’m going but I’m having fun. lol

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Nice.
Where did you source all that budwood?

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The Citrus Clonal Protection Program

https://ccpp.ucr.edu/

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Just found this unfinished post I had started and never posted. Hope I didn’t ‘say this stuff’ somewhere else. I apologize if it’s repetitive. I’ll just blame it on the HEAT!

My apple and pear grafts are doing well - but this week I lost a ‘Sweet 16’ that was on my King David apple. I have others - so it was not a big deal. Looking forward to see what happens through this winter - and pruning to train surviving grafts.

My Toka and Santa Rosa plum trees are hosting their grafts well . . . but neither one of the trees produced any viable fruit. Puny, chewed and diseased - all little fruits met their end before reaching a decent size. I don’t think that those varieties are a good fit for my area . . . in spite of what all the nurseries say. My Metheley does well. And I’m interested to see if the grafts of Shiro and Superior and Damson and a couple of others will ‘stick’ and produce anything. ? I think this coming ‘grafting season’ I will majorly overhaul the Toka and Santa Rosa - and FrankenPlum them.

The few grafts that took on my peaches and nectarines are doing ‘OK’. Elberta, for one - looks very good.

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I did these grafts about two weeks ago, they are cold hardy avocado cultivars (mostly Poncho, last one Aravaipa) grafted on Bacon and Sharwil seedlings:

Looks like they are all still alive at least! The branch where I cut the Aravaipa scion has pushed lots of new growth after being stuck in the shaded greenhouse for the heatwave (max was 106°F in the greenhouse):

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Very nice. I’m also slowly building up my citrus varieties list but with many failures the progress has been slow - not to mention the CCPP costs add up. Finally, this year I had good success. Thanks to @ramv I tried buddy tape and W/T and bark (instead of cleft) and that might have made the difference. This year, I see pushing growth on

Jincheng on C-35 (rootstock growth on my pomelo tree)
Minneola Tangelo on Tango
Super Nova on Gold Nugget
Xie Shan on Owari Satsuma (3rd attempt :slight_smile:)
Nordmann seedless kumquat and Indio Mandarinquat on Meyer lemon
Valentine pomelo on Oro Blanco

I want to try some pigmented oranges next. Most of them won’t sweeten/color up in our coastal mild weather, but I’m planning to experiment with Moro, Smith Red and Boukhobza

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My first successful citrus graft! @californicus are you ready to splurge on ccpp again? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Fran, all you should ever need is one bud! :grinning:

Any more than one, you could make another tree. I think most of my pawpaw grafts had only one bud and have taken. When I say most, I have over 50% pushing growth at this point which I think is pretty good for a first year try.

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I splurged on buddy tape and it is a game changer. So easy to use.

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@thecityman @jcguarneri @don1357
hi Ryan!
I know. one bud!!
congrats!
I stopped using toilet bowl wax and I’m switched over to parafilm. Below are reasons.
Not so rosy here.
All grafts describe below we’re done with dormant winter scions.
May 20…Of the scions you gave me none have started to grow and the five that I started the same time only 2 showing signs of life.
may 26…grafted more of my own scions with wax… nothing.
June 10…4 scions grafted with parafilm,.all took with bud swell in 13 days.
June 23 parafilm 2 whip and tongue, 2 chip, 2 T…will update you in several days. so far looks promising.
So far then, it seems the grafts done with toilet wax failed but the ones done a few weeks later with parafilm worked.
Never a problem using the wax on apples pears plums peaches or persimmons, but I think it’s not compatible with the paws. Plus messy!
But any T grafts (mostly apples) I’ve attempted have all failed. I think the wax which only covered the bud had some mortal, deathly consequences. (comments anyone?). the rest of T fastened down with elec tape.
So I’ll not use wax anymore. not for anything. your warning a few months ago was correct!
Learning experience, but sad. At least so far, I lost all the scions you gave me, but appreciate your effort.
As an aside, a few days ago, I dug up 2 paw shoots a few feet from mother tree. About 18" tall.
Surprised how much of root ball, with many root hairs. No sign of taproot. I guess taproots not on off shoots from mother plant. Planted in lots of temp shade.
Happy 4th!
Always good to hear from a Pittsburgh metro person!

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Despite each bud having been eating completely down by deer, the scions are now putting on new growth. I’m glad that I did not have to wait until next year to see if they would regrow.

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