Most vapes claim 75 to 85 % THC.
So should I list all the successful people that drink alcohol and they were able to control it with out destroying their life. Iâm not saying that some teens canât go on to live productive lives but itâs not some miracle plant that gives you super powers either. Not everyone can make millions of dollars selling abstract paintings they made while being fried out of their mind because theyâre dad is president.
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Drugs are drugs, alcohol just seems to be a lot more toxic than pot and any human that canât use some drug comfort at the end of a hard days work can take pride in that. Also, a drug that is destructive for one person can be constructive for another, even if sometimes it only works well for a spell.
Lawrence Taylor- the greatest defensive American footballer of all time, used to snort cocaine before going out into the field and I assume during breaks and while you canât exactly prove it improved his game, once he was caught and kept from using it his game dropped off dramatically (he was still awfully good). The long list of artists that managed to be great under the influence of drugs neednât be stated here.
Personally, Iâm libertarian when it comes to drugs and donât think use of any should be a criminal offense. Most crime committed by drug addicts is because the stuff is illegal and overpriced so they hurt innocent people to satisfy their addiction. Itâs funny how we qualify what we mean by individual freedom.
So your OK with making fentanyl legal so itâs cheaper? Methamphetamine? Etc. Etc
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For the govt to abdicate its responsibility to protect the innocent as well as the culpable and set up a defacto subsidy for the mafias revenue streams is medieval. Someoneâs got to get a handle on this and eliminate the profit motive one way or another via harm reduction, treatment and supply, as well as some draconian penalties for those who dare circumvent ( in my kingdom)
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Why would someone take Fenamyl if heroine was available from the government? If you want to know whether this can work, check how Portugal handled their drug problem. It doesnât mean drugs will stop doing harm but it limits the harm done to those not taking the drugs and the money used to enforce and punish can be used to treat addiction for those that want treatment.
Please donât jump to conclusions⌠read. https://americanaddictioncenters.org/blog/portugals-harm-reduction-policies
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Why would anyone make Fentanyl that looks like Skittles. DUH
Portugal is smaller as a whole than 1 1/2 to two of our cities in America.
And the fact meth is probably a bigger problem even than Fentanyl and is made in peopleâs kitchens.
The list goes on and onâŚ
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You didnât read and are just arguing from your gut. Portugal didnât solve their problem by decriminalizing opiates but look at t he data- then write. Your gut doesnât have all the answers, much as you believe in it. Treatments for addiction that work in Portugal are generally the same as what works here. You donât treat addicts as a national group, you treat them one person at a time.
The point Iâm making is debatable but you are just arguing.
Your point deals with legality. Government control and a base of people so small in a culture completely different from the US itâs baseless. Portugal is also basically a communist government. May as well be doing a poll with 600 people in a 350 million person country. 
Maybe methadone clinics will solve it.?
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Yeah Dutch, a bunch of communists. USA! USA! USA! Our war on drugs has been such a raging success, why should we look anywhere else for answers? .Honestly, did you even look at the first link I provided?
And whoâs reacting from their gut? Show me where I said USA has the answers? Well done Alan. As usual. TY for the confirmation.
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âPortugal went from being the country with worse drug problem in Europe to the country with the second lowest fatal overdose rate in Europe.â
From your article that solves it all.
Now find me somewhere in that article that says they solved the drug problem. Go ahead. Iâll wait.
They stopped the FATAL overdose rate. Not another word about the addiction problem. Crime involving drug addicts. Long-term addiction. Not one word Alan .
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I have a copy of the US Constitution. I donât believe thereâs any lines or clauses in it that the government is responsible for protecting the stupid. Or the poor. Or those that built their houses on sandy beaches. (But your freedom ends if you harm or take rights from others.)
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So. They keep them high on the govt dime. They donât arrest them anymore. And they give them clean needles.
If you look at most cities in the USA we do all of those things already. Werenât you just poo pooing and making fun of my USA support that didnât happen?
Have they done ANYTHING for the addiction problem?
And those arenât from that article. Or are you going to Use Mr. Ted as an expert?
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But I will say this. If America spent the money on rehab that we spend on inappropriate incarceration we may have a chance at beating the problem. I wonât say so Much else I want to so we donât politically shut this thread down.
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No, there has been a drastic reduction in the number of addicts. https://mediamonarchy.com/portugal-number-of-drug-addicts-halved-a-decade-after-drug-decriminalization/
What cities provide illegal drugs for addicts? Portugal doesnât seem to do that either, but it certainly sounds like a reasonable approach to me. If addicts donât have to resort to crime to get their drugs those that arenât interested in using addictive drugs wonât be victimized by them or pay 30 grand a year to keep them in prison. Whatâs more, governments south of our border will have a drastic reduction in drug gang violence that is so bad in some countries, including Mexico, that it destabilizes and corrupts governments and disrupts legitimate economic development leading to more migration to the U.S.- for jobs and to avoid drug gang related violence.
Those drug gangs buy their guns in America with American money made by selling the drugs.
At any rate, so far decriminalization isnât working so well in Oregon but it has only recently gotten under way and the approach is underfunded and began at the beginning of the pandemic. I suspect we will be getting answers on the efficacy in time but it will take quite a few years to really find out how it can work.
smoking a bubbler here guys. I like water pipes for my older lungs too. yeah, so goes it. carry onâŚ
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I never said illegal drugs. In every major city and almost every minor city in the USA. They have a needle exchange. A Methadone Clinic. Most provide it free.
And many such as NY have boundless release even for violent offenders in cities such as NY, LA , Chicago and San Fran.
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/harm-reduction/needle-exchange
And if you read your own article? It says because Portugal started treating drug addiction as a disease. Correct me if Iâm wrong? Iâm not
America has had some blazing success naming addicts a disease.
The American Medical Association deemed alcoholism as a disease in 1956. Today, multiple leading medical organizations and governing bodies agree
Thatâs really working well isnât it? Your entire article revolves around Portugal making addiction a disease.
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Todayâs weed.
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