Over-generalization is a worldwide malady.
EDIT: deleted accusation based on a misunderstanding
I’ve been a part of many other threads on here discussing growing zones, and there are two “confusions” that come up a lot, paraphrased here:
- “But every few years it gets colder than our zone range”
- “Over most of the winter our average low temperature is much warmer than that range”
I was responding to someone else (not you) who appeared to have the second type of “confusion,” by trying to give a detailed explanation of the growing zone methodology.
It’s not a snide reply at all. Instead, I was agreeing with you.
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What did I embellish?
Sorry…I meant the article in the Guardian embellished fact.
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Gentleman, let’s not get started down the wrong track here. I’m learning something here about certain unique zones. Might not ever need to learn about everyones climate, but i enjoy learning it anyway. Im looking at temperatures now it is very ideal. Zone 7b to Zone 10a is not at all what it sounded like " On average, the maximum temperature hovers around 22/23 °C (72/73 °F) in much of the country and around 21 °C (70 °F) on the coast, and it normally reaches 30/32 °C (86/90 °F) only two or three days per month." Kansas would seem very unpleasant after being there.
Are you referring to that other thread about Apples in England?
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Well in that case I apologize, I should not have assumed the worst. I thought you were accusing me of over-generalizing with my reference to “some people.” I’m feverish and caring for a feverish one year-old this morning, so I probably shouldn’t trust my reading comprehension for posting.
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OK…I’m getting senile. In any case, I didn’t mean to disparage your post.
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Man, I remember those days. I wish you both a speedy recovery.
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Personally I wouldn’t call the entirety of places bordering and within the Mediterranean Sea plus western Morocco a microclimate. The “banana belt” in England – yes.
BTW, Morocco is aligned with southern CA in terms of latitude, and Paris is aligned with Montreal.
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It is all in the context of how you view it. Didn’t refer to all of those as being microclimates. Lets focus on California and the actual definition of a micro climate from my perspective and theirs.
What is a Microclimate and Why Do We Have So Many in SoCal?. I understand if you live in a large micro climate, you would hardly consider it one. The implication is that the others you mentioned are microclimates since the weather is similar in many ways to your own IUCN CEM Mediterranean Type Ecosystems Specialist Group. You made the correlation that i implied that similar areas would have similar micro climates and that is correct. Lake effect is considered a micro climate Microclimates and Creating Them. Ocean similarly has an effect on climate https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2022.940482/full
As i mentioned above about my pawpaw and the microclimate i made for those trees.
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@clarkinks
I believe you were responding to my statement
plus coastal influenced areas of central and southern CA.
when you wrote
Lake or ocean effect fall under the microclimate case absolutely
I must be misunderstanding this statement, because I perceive “ocean effect” as applying to the Mediterranean Sea – which is considered (in agriculture) a regional climate.
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Just meant in that context i mentioned above. It makes more sense if you think of lake effect dumping large amounts of snow nearby in colder areas. The water and immediate adjacent land create small pockets of different climates. With your interest in weather, you see interesting effects of things like mountains on weather Mountain Microclimates - Gilpin County Extension. In my example, i used the late blooming and leafing out trees, pawpaw, and persimmon for my microclimate. There is a reason i chose to make a hill on the north of the pond, use water, and those specific tree’s but it is not immediately obvious. Im also accumulating water in the form of snow in the winter, which further acts as a blanket for the persimmons. The wind will drop all that snow right where i want it.
I understand your context with ponds and lakes, but not with “ocean”.
Decades ago researchers from NY and the Mediterranean would visit my place of employment near the San Diego coast. Many of them would want to take a dip in the Pacific Ocean for their bullet list. They would wade out into the water then abruptly turn around, nearly walking on it on their quick return. You see, the Mediterranean Sea and the summer waters off NY are a bathtub compared to our waters flowing down from the Gulf of Alaska.
In my perspective, I don’t think it’s correct to refer to the temperature effects of the Mediterranean Sea as a microclimate.
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An interesting thread you got here…
To summarize, your peach will be just fine. 
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@Olpea, which varieties do this? Does the quality of the fruit suffer in these varieties like with pit burn in apricots? While I’m well familiar with apricot varieties that suffer from pit burn, I have never seen or heard about a similar effect from heat in peaches.
Micro climate does not always refer to warmer conditions it can also be cooler conditions like those mentioned that occur in your area. That gives California its beautiful weather. It’s not my definition.
One source says in Ohio the highest temp ever recorded is 113 in Gallapolis.in 1934.
And coldest of -39 in 1899.
But, I met a retired lady that sold her part of a dairy farm and moved to KY that says in her valley she recorded -58F in NE Ohio…in the 1970’s I think she said.
There are definitely microclimates.
My little orchard registered 47 early one morning, it registered 29 just a couple miles from me in a dip in the landscape.
I also noticed this in North Carolina 2 or 3 decades ago…reading of -5F and a neighbor had 20.
If you’re trying to ‘push’ the zones, you need to figure out the best spots for success.
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@clarkinks
I would agree with this statement:
Ponds, lakes, and ocean currents can create local microclimates.
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