Thanks, Favman. I had written it down in my notes as likely crataegifolius, but I wasn’t sure if it was some weird hybrid or something. Did you read something that confirms the plant’s genetics?
As per usual, all the nurseries just regurgitate the same marketing spiel, which doesn’t actually tell you anything useful. The plants have been around here for a couple years now.
I am still confused what makes the Hararasp any different from normal crataegifolius plants. Perhaps Mr. Hara just wanted to name something after himself…
Hi I Googled Korean Raspberry, and the Hara CV was mentioned as well as the species. I do not know what if anything is different about the HARA cultivar, it does not seem to be thornless and the fruit look the same as regular cultivars. There is a thornless cultivar but I can’t remember its name. Luther Burbank did a hybrid with Blackberry and called it the Primus berry. I do not think it still exists.
I managed to buy one plant, $48 including shipping. It was dormant when it got here but it started shooting with my warmer climate. I have it in a small greenhouse where it will stay until Spring.
The berries from that “tree” look like the thimbleberry which is native to north america (usa/canada)
They also grow like 1 big bush, unlike other “regular” raspberries. The fruit is very soft and fragile though. I have one of them. It also doesn’t spread via roots, and no thorns.
Also have joan J (no thorns) which is a traditional raspberry plant but it will grow a good 5ft straight up so basically a tree too lol
hmm yea this plant itself looks like a thimbleberry, but the leafs are shiny like regular raspberry. The berries look more like regular one too.
Maybe these are a cross? or the type at least has characteristics of both
thimbleberries are available in USA, I got mine off of ebay. It’s a bit expensive vs others raspberries but they are way rarer.
I see favman said the species, yea thimbleberry will get bigger than this and doesn’t produce more plants via roots, no thorns etc. If someone wants a tree in USA this is better plant. The only downside is it is very fragile berries.
The shoots don’t die back either
I think the promotion of this Korean Raspberry, Hararasp, as something new, was a bit of a marketing, money making excercise, that comes close to misleading information. There is nothing new about it as far as I can see. The Koreans have been growing them for many years. I do not think people who have bought one will buy another. I am sure the fruit is not as good as R.idaeus. The only sort of plus is the erect canes but how hard is it to put a bamboo stake in a pot to support a regular raspberry growing in it ? I do this all the time with great success and my raspberries are thornless, unlike the Hararasp.
These are the leaves of my hararasp. The plant was only 20cm tall when I received it and the leaves were looking a bit rough.
It is growing fast with nice new leaves though
Speaking of more shrub like, thornless raspberries, @Favman are you familiar with New Mexico raspberry? It’s one I’ve considered trying to hybridize and improve as it’s very erect, thornless, and has gorgeous flowers. Looks like it’s in section Odoratum with the other flowing raspberries. Think that’ll be too far a cross with European raspberry?
Related, I just today received a Dorman Red that in looking to backcross. I don’t like that it’s trailing and flavorless, but by all accounts it’s got great heat tolerance and is productive, so that’s half the battle anyway.
I sampled a fair few new mexico raspberries in the AZ sky islands, most were insipid but at a few had extremely good flavor, same story as thimbleberry, generally unproductive
If you want a temperate raspberry that grows like a tree, salmonberry has perennial canes. The fruits don’t have much flavor but children love them. And since they ripen in May long before any other wild fruit here I eat them too.
I beg to differ lol. I remember me and my group absolutely hating them for being so bland and tasteless haha. But then again, i was always surrounded by wild raspberries and blackberries growing up so i had more options lol. They look great though!
Yes, I have one and have tasted the fruit. It was very sweet but had no flavour.
I have tried to hybridize but no success with raspberry but got one hybrid with 4x Blackberry. I have also used Rubus tridel ‘Benenden’ It has a similar growth habit and was more crossable with raspberry.
The R.idaeus x R. parvifolius is trailing and very thorny see pics.
If you backcross Dorman Red you may get some flavour back into it and still have heat tolerance.
I finally have ripe fruit of this cultivar. It was neutral, then sour, with no raspberry flavour and a terrible, astringent aftertaste. I will be getting rid of it as soon as the hybrid berry ripens. A cross with a thornless raspberry.
