I’d love to get a cutting of Ying Lo, if possible. Right now, the only new ones I’ve been able to find for this spring are Elk Grove, Texas Tart, and Norris #1 (I grafted it years ago, but I don’t think I had any takes). Next time I’m near the rental, I’ll check to see if Allentown has any suitable wood.
When we were corresponding, he anticipated that idea and said that while he’s sent out a lot of wood, he has lost track of much of the info (what went to who and/or contact info).
Does your alleged Winter Delight from JF&E produce any suckers?
That one died in the vortex! It actually struggled before that and half of it had already bitten the dust. Wasn’t a very strong plant.
My contorted has produced one this year. And btw it struggled too, half of it died and suddenly it took off and started growing and became massive and healthy looking.
@k8tpayaso
My Contorted/So was in ground for several years, did not grow. It flowered but never set fruit. Last fall, out of frustration, I dug it up (my right hand man did, to be accurate 
) and unceremoniously plopped it in a 15 gallon pot and kept it in the garage.
When it was dug up, I saw that roots were circling so I cut them mercilessly with the thought that if it died, it died.
To my surprised, it has survived, leafed out and appears happy. I saw flower buds, too. Maybe, it will set some fruit after I stopped pampering it.
I remember you telling that. I think what goes on below ground often indicates a problem that we don’t see. Maybe mine just overcame a problem but now it looking fantastic.
This contorted that put up a sucker is on its own roots so it is replicating itself…… YEA!!!
@BobVance ,
It took almost a month for my jujube grafts to show signs of life. 7 of 8 scionwood have taken.
@PharmerDrewee Hetian Jade took.
@k8tpayaso I believe Texas Sawmill last year took, too, but I lost the tag.
However, in my experience, jujube grafts that worked the first year have not always come back next year. I have several jujube grafts that took the first year and grew some, only to be dead the next year. Maybe, some grafts could not handle our cold winter for some reason.
The more bad news is that my two potted root suckers were munched by bunnies while we were away for a few days.
The pots are now inside a cage.
@BobVance I believe the Black Sea, Massandra and Autumn Beauty you sent are very happy on my Honey Jar, which is slowly becoming a Franken-juju. The Native bees, standard wasps, some white striped wasps, and a really big one with dark blue wings are visiting all the flowers on that tree helping the ants pollinate along with the Sugar Cane in a bin beside it. Even my first year grafts are starting to show signs of flower buds, I’ll post photos soon.
So jealous with your abundant pollinators. My jujubes just start to bloom. So far, have not seen much activities.
Also, the bloom time coincides with temp climbing to 90’s. So, no gibberellic acid spray this year for me.
By the way, it has been said many times about confusion between Autumn Beauty vs Winter Delight.
It almost makes me say, the real Autumn Beauty, please stand up 
Our temperatures are in the 80s and 90s. Last year was my first year having a pollinator for Honey Jar (Sugar Cane) and I still ended up with no fruit. I assume temperatures play a significant role in fruit set but haven’t researched that extensively yet. For what it’s worth, our thin leaved mountain mint is the all star pollinator flower in our native wildflower garden and it is right in the middle of all 3 of the jujube trees. You might look for a similar plant that matches bloom times to help attract some wasps! There was a single honey bee I saw too.
Whichever Bob has is what I ended up with, so maybe he has figured out which one it is. Either way both are new to my small collection so I have no complaints!
And Bob has a bunch of them from different sources!
My view is any variety that tastes good and ripens in time for me is here to stay.
I haven’t taken a graft census (quite an undertaking for the number of grafts I’ve been doing- over 200 on established stocks at a number of locations, about 60% jujube). Plenty more experimental ones, like grafting to root sections or recently yanked suckers, etc. But, I think I’m going to have pretty good jujube results, with a few exceptions. I think the Elk Grove scionwood got too old/dried. Only the first graft on 4/1 seems to have taken, while the 3 from mid-April and the 2 from early May look to have failed. Otherwise, I have only a few which seem to have failed.
I’ve had the same experience, where I have a graft noted as a take, but it didn’t make it through the winter. I think it was mostly grafts that didn’t put on any vertical growth and only had fruiting branches. Or at most had an inch or two of growth.
Grafts like this one generally survive, as it has over a foot of new growth. It’s an Allentown graft on the So by my front mailbox. I’ve actually got a note on it, because the scion was so short. It sometimes makes it a bit difficult to properly carve the wedge for the cleft graft, expecially when the scion is so thick. Looks like this one worked though…
I didn’t remember bees on mine in the past. But, I went out today and saw one, in addition to wasps (large and small). There wasn’t as much activity as I remember from past years, but maybe it was just a real hot day and they were taking a break.
I meant to do it last week, but have been a bit busy and then we had 2 real hot days this weekend. Maybe I’ll spray some later this week, as most days are still in the 80’s.
I know it wasn’t from the Winter Delight I got from Burnt Ridge in 2018, as I haven’t gotten any fruit from it, so I don’t have too much confidence in it.
I think I cut the wood from the Autumn Beauty from JFaE, but it could have been from the Mango Dong from JFaE (they say it is also called “Winter Delight”), From what I can see, they have identical fruit, though the Mango Dong has had a lot more fruit than the “Autumn Beauty”. Qiyuexian is supposed to be the same as AB and was certainly big enough to cut wood, but I don’t think I took any as I haven’t had any fruit from it yet in the 4 years the graft has been growing.
My lonely Honey Jar bloomed in mid May and has a very large fruit set so far. Most fruitlets are a little larger than a pea. Tree was swarming with pollinators of all sorts. Even common flies. 2 years ago I grafted Tsao, Sugarcane, and Autmn Beauty to it. Sugarcane was the only one that took and had fruit that same year. Second year it was just too vigorous and created an imbalance in the tree. Had to cut it back. This winter almost completely removed it as I don’t care for the taste. It is back again with 3 feet of growth I think it is slowing down the parent tree as I only got one foot of growth this year. It was grafted higher up than the other 2 grafts. I was wondering would position of grafts on tree affect the rate of success. I think the Sugarcane may have been drawing all the energy starving out the 2 lower grafts?
For me, jujube seem quite happy to reject grafts if there are other healthy portions of the tree where they can send their energy. I have better luck on the stubborn rootstocks converting the whole thing and keeping all buds below the graft rubbed off. Even then, I had one stubborn rootstock this year which I grafted 4 branches (very low) to one variety, keeping all other growth rubbed off, and it still decided to kill 2 of the branches. Stupid tree. Even one would have been fine, so that’s ok.
When grafting different varieties of jujube you have to be careful because some are much more vigorous than others and will overtake.
Honey Jar is never the vigorous graft IMO. And the grafts higher on the tree will have dominance over the lower ones usually. When I first started grafting I had a hard time with this. Also when you are grafting the tree is usually just coming out of dormancy and looks entirely different than it will look when it is fully leafed out. It’s hard to picture.
I have a hard time grafting jujus. I can get 80-100% takes on everything else (even persimmons) but I felt lucky this year when I got 60% instead of 50%!
@Marvin72
I believe it is true to every tree that grafting higher, the chance of the graft growing well is higher as the tree moving its energy upward.
Our temp will be in the mid 80’s with one day of over 90. If you spray gibberellic acid in the mid to high 80 , please let us know the result.
I still have not fully recovered from the disaster I imposed on my trees last year!!
I’ve heard this before, but haven’t noticed that much a difference. I’ve got a number of Honey Jar trees and most seem comparable to those around them. When grafting to them, I haven’t had grafts which take over the tree (yet). I did have a high graft (the Qiyuexian I mentioned above) which took over the upper half of a Sugar Cane, but the lower half is still going strong, including a few lower grafts which have done OK (Ant Admire and Russia #4), at least in terms of growth (not thrilled with either of their fruit).
I’ve seen this much more in persimmons.
Keep at it- I don’t think jujube are much different than grafting apples (pretty easy), other than the wood being a bit tough. One thing I have paid more attention to this year is removing growth within a few inches on the same branch. It may not help too much in how many leaf out, but hopefully it will lead to higher survival rates next winter.
Do you mean emotionally or is there some lasting damage in the tree? I thought that the total impact was some of the flowers browned?
Actually I misspoke (mistyped?) on that. I think each independent graft has its own state of vigor in growing. The point I intended to make is Honey Jar is not the most hefty growing cultivar. I have two Honey Jar trees. One of them is one of my oldest trees and yet it’s stature has less impact than many of my other trees. Both of them have similar appearance and growth pattern. Some cultivars just seem to have heavier and thicker wood in their growth habit.
I just don’t get the take rate on jujubes that I do on other cultivars. And persimmons have some hard wood too. But I get a much better percentage in takes when grafting to established trees than I do grafting to potted rootstocks.
