Panzao jujube
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Hey on the topic of all these Chinese jujubes and their names, has anyone made a list of the various names including the Chinese character version of the name? They go by the pinyin of the Chinese which isn’t always consistent, or by various different translations of Chinese so it’s always very confusing. But, the actual Chinese characters should be a great reference. The Ying Ge list you put above @BobVance has some of the Chinese character names and it got me inspired so I did a crude job of making an initial list starting with those plus some other names I found characters for on Google … maybe someone that knows Chinese can improve on this. The Ying Ge list is hard to read, I used a recognition tool but it blew a bunch. My son knows a bit of Chinese and he helped fix some.
Anyway here is an initial list. I put the pinyin name after the Chinese characters if it was ever used and then any other translation(s) of the name into English. Hopefully someone can pick this up and make a real list!
枣 / Zao / Jujube List (Edited to reflect comments below):
大果算盘枣 Abacus (Big Fruit Abacus)
胎里紅枣 Baby Red
大瓜枣 Big Melon
牧枣 Board
长红枣 Changhong (Long Red)
鸡心枣 Chicken Heart
冷白玉枣 Chilling White Jade
皇冠甜枣 Crown Sweet
大白铃枣 Dabailing (Big White Bell)
冬枣 Dong (Winter, Winter Delight?)
龙枣 Dragon
蛤蟆枣 Frog
鹅子枣 Goose Eggs
羊奶枣 Goat tit
葫芦枣 Gourd (G)
国光枣 Guoguang (National Pride)
和田枣 Hetian
湖南鸡蛋枣 Hunan Egg
蜜罐枣 Honey Jar
马牙枣 Maya (Ma Ya, Horse Tooth, Massandra?)
金丝枣 Jinsi (Golden Thread)
骏枣 Jun (Handsome Horse)
梨枣 Li (Pear)
临猗梨枣 Linyi pear
磨盘枣 Millstone
南京梨枣 Nanjing pear
蟠枣 Pan (Donut)
辣檢枣 Pepper (Spicy)
大柿饼枣 Persimmon (Large Dried Persimmon)
山东梨枣 Shandang pear
山西梨枣 Shanxi pear (Shanxi Li)
小圆枣 Small Round
雪枣 Snow
酸枣 Sour
金丝小枣 (?) Sugar Cane
茶壶枣 Tea pot
天仙枣 Tianxian (Heavenly Beauty)
控牙枣 Tiger Tooth (Same as Horse Tooth?)
宣城尖枣 XC 815 (Xuancheng, Pointed, Bullet)
缨洛 Ying Luo (Ying Lo)
沾化冬枣 Zhanhua Winter (same as Dong?)
I’m sure there are also different characters for the same variety. Note I have no clue how Chinese works, I just look at the neat patterns of lines and look for matches.
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Besides @BobVance ’s wife, I believe these members know Chinese, @IL847, @PharmerDrewee , @castanea , @Sophia2017. I may haveleft out a few others.
Hope they can chime in to help with this project.
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枣 / Zao / Jujube List
大果算盘枣 Abacus (Big Fruit Abacus)
胎里紅枣 Baby Red
大白岭枣 Big Bell - should be 大白铃枣 Dabailing (Big White Bell)
大瓜枣 Big Melon
牧枣 Board - can’t find anything of it.
大白铃枣 Dabailing (Big White Bell)
长红枣 Changhong (Long Red)
鸡心枣 Chicken Heart
冷白玉枣 Cool Winter - should be “chilling white jade”
皇冠甜枣 Crown Sweet
大白铃枣 Dabailing (Big White Bell)
大青枣 Daqing - big green
冬枣 Dong (Winter Delight)
龙枣 Dragon
蛤蟆枣 Frog
鹅子枣 Goose Eggs
希奶枣 Goat tit - there’s no 希奶枣 but from English translation, the chinese name should be 羊奶枣
葫芦枣 Gourd (G)
国光枣 Guoguang - could be translated as “national pride”
和田枣 Hetian
湖南鸡蛋枣 Hunan Egg
蜜罐枣 Honey Jar
马牙枣 Horse Tooth
金丝枣 Jinsi (Golden) - golden thread
俊枣 Jun - should be 骏枣, 骏 means handsome horse
李枣 Li, Chinese name should be 梨枣, ie pear jujube
临猗梨枣 Linyi pear
磨盘枣 Millstone
南京梨枣 Nanjing pear
蟠枣 Pan or donut jujube if followed with peach translations
辣檢枣 Pepper (Spicy)
大柿饼枣 Persimmon (Large Dried Persimmon)
山东梨枣 Shandang pear
山西梨枣 Shanxi pear (Shanxi Li)
小园枣 Small Round - should be 小圆枣
雪枣 Snow
酸枣 Sour
金丝小枣 Sugar Cane - direct translation should be “small golden thread jujube”, I doubt it’s sugar cane.
茶壹枣 Tea pot - should be 茶壶枣
天仙枣 Tianxian - can be translated as “heavenly beauty”
控牙枣 Tiger Tooth - should be “马牙枣”，horse tooth, not fancy tiger tooth
宣城奖枣 XC 815 (Xuancheng Award) - no such jujube, only 宣城尖枣，Xuan Cheng (a city in anhui province) pointed jujube, or bullet jujube
缨洛 Ying Luo
沾化冬枣 Zhanhua Winter
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“控牙枣 Tiger Tooth - should be “马牙枣”，horse tooth, not fancy tiger tooth”
This one made me lol a bit.
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I’ve given up on ever being able to read any kind of Chinese character more complicated that needed for mahjong (basically the numbers 1-10).
I believe that this one is an Indian jujube, ziziphus mauritiana, which isn’t hardy in most US conditions.
I wonder if this is the same as “Tian Xia Di Yi” which I got from Cliff this spring.
I think that Zhanhua Winter is actually Dong. From what I’ve heard, Dong is not Winter Delight
Could be the same as Ying Lo. I grafted that last year I think.
From Prof Yao: “Changhong is a traditional cultivar in Shandong province for hundreds of years. It is OK quality”
I think from the above list I still need Chicken Heart, Crown Sweet, Cool Winter, and possibly 1-2 others where last year’s grafts failed (maybe Frog/Toad).
Here’s a couple fruit on mine last year. I grafted this one late (6/18) on a potted sucker. Then planted it at a rental in early September. So this fruit is ~90 after grafting. One of the guys in FB really likes this variety. Mine ripened in late October, but I don’t recall it being anything special. Of course, given the circumstances, I should reserve my judgement on it.
Also goes by Maya or Ma Ya. And the fruit seems equivalent to Massandra.
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Thanks for the corrections! I edited the above to fix. Here are a couple of comments.
The Sugar Cane characters came from https://zh.brentwoodrarefruitfarm.com/products - is that one wrong?
My guess is Dong (“Winter”) is not the same as Zanhua Winter … I think winter just means late jujube, it might mean multiple varieties in fact.
Tiger Tooth I got from that Ying Ge list but maybe it’s just another name for Horse Tooth?
Ying Luo is my correction of Ying Lo, the pinyin I get for the character is not Lo. But I’m an ignoramous here.
龙枣 Dragon. Chinese also use the shape to name the tree.
龙枣 could mean contorted jujubee in China.
@castanea has a big list, but I don’t think he has the Chinese names in it. He may have a number of them though. I think that @JustPeachy may have some translations too.
Dong=winter in Chinese. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen varieties like “2nd Generation Zanhua Dong”, which I’ve heard was a seedling of Dong. It would make sense that the first gen could also be referred to as Zanhua Dong, though it isn’t conclusive.
I’ve grafted 2nd Gen Dong, but haven’t fruited it yet to confirm. I made several grafts of it and they were all quite vigorous. I’ll be interested to see if they continue to grow especially large.
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Yesterday, I weeded under my 3 jujube trees, Shanxi Li (2016), Sugar Cane (2016) and Honey Jar (2017). All these trees are grafted and they have suckered for the past several years.
Whatever rootstock Honey Jar was grafted on has produced the most numbers of suckers. I have not been vigilant in removing those suckers.
Since last year, I have noticed that Honey Jar has produced fewer leaves and those leaves have not look as “perky” as leaves from the other two trees. I did not think much about as the tree has produced well.
However, this year the Honey Jar tree, again, has produced fewer leaves again. The difference of fewer leaves on the whole tree is more pronounced this year. Also, the lower branches have more dead twigs with what appear to be lichen on them.
I think this tree is in decline. (8 years old is very young for jujubes, isn’t it). I wonder if producing those many suckers is one of the reasons. Do your trees have lichen grow on them. What’s the cause?
Love to hear input from any of you
@BobVance , @k8tpayaso , @jujubemulberry , @castanea
Tony @tonyOmahaz5 is it too late in the year to try rooting green cutting?
Try to remove all the root suckers and fertilize it with some nitrogen to get it a big boost. I like the super duper strong Urea Nitrogen 46-0-0 on all my trees and Veggies every 7 days for a few weeks to get a jumpstart. Their leaves will turn flush green within 3 days of the application then I will back off with the regular 10-10-10 every 2 weeks then stop fertilize them in the middle of July and let the trees harden up and ready for winter. BTW, You still have time to do the green jujube rooting. Just cut some green jujube sticks about 6 inches long and trimmed the leaves back to an inches. Scratch one side of the on the bottom end of the cuttings about 1 1/2 inches long and dip them all in clonex or any rooting hormone. I usually take a large toperware and it fill up with miracle grow potting mix and add a little water and mix it well to make a moist soil medium and not too wet. I buried the cuttings 2 inches deep in the soil about 3 inches apart and closed the toperware lid keep them in the shade for about 2 months and don’t add any more water. Too much water will rot the cuttings. The water vapor will fog the whole toperware for the duration. Check for root on the bottom of the toperware then pot up the ones with root and overwinter them in the unheat garage for guaranteed survival and make sure you water the pots every few weeks to keep the root moist then plant t them in the spring .
Good luck.
Tony
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I have lichen on some of my trees….the ones I bought that lichen was already on them. One of them died but I was blaming the sub zero weather we had that year. I lost my large Li tree and it was one that suckered profusely. I dug many of those suckers and I’m wondering if I took too many of those roots. However it was a sudden death….just didn’t wake up one spring. That tree did not have lichen. I’ve looked up lichen and everything seems to indicate that it has a symbiotic relationship with the tree so I don’t suspect it as being dangerous.
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Thanks, @tonyOmahaz5 . I have fed it with urea but weeds love it more them, too. I will feed the tree more. I usually feed jujubes urea a couple of times in the spring. I will try rooting green wood cuttings.
@k8tpayaso thanks for reassurance re. lichen. I pulled up suckers without roots. However, I did let many to grow for many months (sometimes over a year) before pulling them out. That’s why I thought those suckers could have stolen nutrients from the mother tree.
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I have some lichen on apple trees, but haven’t seen it on jujube. But, I agree with Katy, that I don’t think it is dangerous.
I also agree that you should probably get rid of the suckers…Now is the time to get rid of any growth you don’t want. Make the tree put the energy into fruiting instead.
I think I generally continue with 10-10-10 (sometimes 13-13-13) a bit longer, but our first frost generally isn’t until November.
On one of the Chinese jujube sites, I was surprised to read that they only fertilize after the tree has ripened the fruit for the year. I’m not sure if that is because they are in a warmer climate and have longer before first frost (I think the variety in question ripened in June, so it must be pretty warm) or if that is something they generally do.
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Yup, I clean under the tree cleanly yesterday. But have have strawberries grown all around the area. Those probably are big competitors for nutrients, too. Will need to get rid of those strawberries.
You guys fertilize jujubes way more than I have done. I put urea in April and maybe, water some once in May That’s about it.
Will need to fertilize them more. I have both urea and 10-10-10.
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OK, I have to correct myself. I have one jujube with lichen on it. It is one that used to grow in my yard and got moved to a rental a couple years ago to open up space between 2 larger jujubes (a Sugar Cane/Bok Jo and a large (but unproductive) Sherwood). I think it may have already had the lichen on it when I transplanted it.
It took the transplant OK, but living at a rental can be hard on a jujube. Either a tenant or their dog crashed into it and broke several of the branches, then cut them off, probably hoping I wouldn’t notice. Now the tree looks very vertical…
I wouldn’t call it the most productive tree. But it is a Li, so I don’t think it can be blamed on the lichen. Li tend to take a while to get going and the transplant probably didn’t help. At least it gets close to 100% full sun at this rental. Maybe it looses a few minutes at dawn and dusk, as the fence it to the North of it.
And yes, the previous owner had a ton of hosta along the fence. The uninterrupted part is actually pretty good at keeping weeds down along the fence. I just mow right up to the hosta- no need to edge there. The part where they get spotty is a bit more annoying. I may end up mowing the stranglers down…
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i agree with others who recommend removing all suckers. I could surmise that your hj is not as vigorous as the rootstock it is grafted to. Differences in vigor between graft and rootstock can result in restriction of growth of the less vigorous cultivar. Actively growing suckers or rootstock stems can have constricting effects on the xylem/cambium of a graft. Conversely, a graft more vigorous than its rootstock/interstem can constrict any growth from rootstock or interstem. Will be illustrating it on a youtube video currently working on re: grafting.
and with jujus(having upright and laterals) auto-constriction actually occurs, even in the absence of grafts and even if self-rooted.
laterals generally stop growing lengthwise once fully developed, and the only lengthwise growth it may have would be growth of another upright from one or more of its fruiting spurs.Fruiting spurs are actually aberrant runty stems due to abscisic acid hormone which shortens internode segments. It is actually more nodes per unit length than internode segment length. I digress…
anyway, as with any juju upright stem(the main trunk)–it grows faster than the laterals, you’d notice that over the years, the laterals will “get shorter”-- but not because they are shrinking, but because the upright stem they are attached to are getting thicker with more rapid growth(in part because the stems higher up are getting more sunlight, and likely casting shade on the lower laterals) The concentric growth of the trunk around the bases of laterals will ultimately constrict the laterals like a noose.
conversely, vigorously growing suckers/interstems will have this noose-like effects on distally grafted scionwood especially if the cultivars grafted to them are less vigorous.
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forgot to add, when left to their own devices–being unpruned and initially getting equal amounts of sunlight, i noticed that : li will likely constrict hj and chico, while sihong will constrict li and of course hj and chico.
so to maintain a multi-grafted juju tree, would be best to prune the more vigorous cultivars, and to allow the less vigorous cultivars more acess to direct sunlight.
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Thank you everyone. Need to pull strawberry plants I grow around the jujubes’ raised beds and fertilize jujubes more.
I’ve also noticed that a couple new trees I put in 2-3 years ago started to sink lower than soil line. Probably the soil in the planting holes has settled. I definitely so not want to bury the trees too deep.
I have been reading most of these posts on the various jujube varieties and have a lot of varieties grafted on my small trees thanks to Bob.
I wanted to ask here if anyone can tell me about the Indian jujube variety. I’m working at a person’s house with a very large jujube tree that I will be air layering in the coming weeks. He tells me it’s a Indian jujube tree that fruits yearly but I haven’t seen the fruits. He mentioned one of his friends said it is a very desirable variety. Can you give me any details of show me a photo of the fruits if you have it.
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