New Member in south IL with a few fruit trees looking for spray advice

[mamuang]

Once PLC showed up. It is too late to treat it. Some people just pull affected leaves off. New leaves will emerge, usually clean.

Then, you can do preventative spray at dormant next year.

[dkr06022012]

Thank you mamuang. From the little reading I have done, I thought that was the case.

[disc4tw]

IF plc is the culprit, search for JoeReal’s Italian Dressing spray.

Also read through Scott’s Low Impact Spray Schedule and his synthetic spray schedule. Alan has another great program too.

All of this I find overwhelming, but if you start by just reading through a few times you’ll begin to pick up on what and when are appropriate spray strategies for your situation.

Good luck and welcome to the forum!

[sockworth]

@dkr06022012

Some of the leaves had reddish orange spots before they fell off.

In that case it could be PLC.

@mamuang

Maybe, @IL847 could chime in.

Southern IL is much warmer than Northern IL. @dkr06022012 's climate is more like KY or even @clarkinks’s Kansas than Chicago.

[IL847]

@dkr06022012 welcome to the forum.

Your climate is warmer than mine,I am in Chicagoland. Red Heaven performances very well here. One of the most reliable peach cultivar I have seen in the area. It should thrive in your location weatherwise. Can’t see well from the picture, the tree seems need to be pruned into optimal scaffolds. The leafs look pale, may have some PH or nutrients intake issues. It doesn’t hurt have soil tested. Neem oil alone is not sufficient to combat the world of fungi, diseases. The longer you grow fruit trees on your property, the more bugs will show up, so do diseases. Following the dormant spray schedule is a effective way to control the diseases and bugs, therefore minimize your headache.
My peach care in the spring started with, after last dormant, 10-10-10 before bud break in March. At shuck split, I hit the tree with foliage spray with Sevin and immunox to control the pests and diseases. After that it depends on the weather and the performance of the trees to add or skip spray to target specific issues. In general, if you are doing dormant spray, in growing season one spray at the right time can control high percent of the bad bugs. If PC or stink bug showed up, I will give them second spray. I try to do minimum spray.

Rainier cherry struggles a little in Chicagoland, but depends on the micro environment too. Here in the suburbs, Rainier planted closer to the house, cold wind may also be shielded by neighbors’ houses, it can fruits like other sweet cherries. In your location both Bing and Rainier should fruit well. Maybe the location you planted both cherry trees is not a good spot. Sweet cherry doesn’t like wet feet. Or maybe there is something in the soil that killed the tree. So don’t plant the replacement tree in the same spot to avoid soil born diseases.

[TNHunter]

@dkr06022012 … here is some good “spray advice”… dont do it !!!

Well if you grow peaches… and you want to eat most of them… the bummer is you will have to spray and spray and spray.

I got rid of my peaches after being overcome with brown rot and oriential fruit moth. I did grow them 20 years… but no more. Not willing to do all that spraying.

Check out the thread below on “no spray fruits”.

No spray fruits

Seems like people in my area always ask the same question which is “which fruits are zero spray fruits? “ From my perspective it’s relatively easy to answer Pawpaw, mulberry, some pears, persimmon, autumn olive, June berries, blackberries, black raspberries, and jujubes if you can find an area warm enough to grow them here. I’m sure I left some off and I was hoping you might know a few more. Most recently I was contacted by children that are organizing a community garden at a church in a neighbo…

[dkr06022012]

Here are a few pictures of the peach tree leaves and the spots on the apple tree.

[ribs1]

I’ll go off topic here. 1. You need way more trees. 2. The guides here are very good. Scott has the low impact spray schedule and Alan has a synthetic schedule. Both of these guides are probably better than most guides published by major universities. I have been using Alan’s schedule for at least 10 years with mostly great success. I have late apple fly maggot here and a few other things so I have to spray more than the 3 times Alan recommends.

I hope you spend a lot of time here. Many contributors have tons of reports on interesting varieties off all types of fruit.

[dkr06022012]

Here are a few more.

[mamuang]

Your peaches look like a bacterial spot issue.

Stone Fruit Disease - Bacterial Spot

The apples look like a scab issue than cedar apple rust. Close up pics of affected leaves will be helpful.

Apple Scab

[sockworth]

I agree about the apple scab. On peach could it be peach scab, both sounds similar.

• “Leaves will develop yellow spots on their underside. As the tissue on the leaves dies it falls out, leaving shot holes.”

• “Leaves are also susceptible and if infected, will have round and yellowish green spots on the underside. Diseased leaves may dry up and drop off prematurely.”

@dkr06022012, I also suggest to do dormant spray of copper + horticultural oil next year.

[mroot]

Hi-

I am in Illinois as well in the central Illinois area.

For cherries in Illinois tart cherries are much easier to grow than sweet cherries. Best cultivars for sweet cherries in Illinois are BlackGold and WhiteGold. An older heirloom cultivar Black Tartarian is also a decent choice. In Illinois sweet cherries require dedication, a good spray schedule and some way to keep the birds away ( a net or bird scare tape).

This thread will give you an idea of what you will face.

Eastern Sweet Cherries

Interesting sweet cherry article shown below. This article is interesting to us in Kansas because bacterial canker is a problem here as well like in the east. https://www.canr.msu.edu/uploads/files/Research_Center/NW_Mich_Hort/Training_Pruning_Varities/SweetCherryVarietiesEasternUS_2004.pdf “Sweet Cherry Varieties for Eastern U.S. By: Robert L. “Bob” Andersen, Professor of Horticulture, Dept. of Horticultural Sciences, N.Y.S.A.E.S., Cornell University, Geneva, NY 14456 Briners - Sweet cher…

For spraying we have two spray guides. One is organic and one is synthetic. For stone fruits sweet cherries, peaches, etc. most people struggle with the organic one and eventually move to the synthetic one. In Illinois for apples the organic one may work.

Synthetic spray schedule

Spray Schedule- Synthetic Materials

Alan Haigh- The Home Orchard and Nursery Co. REPRINT PERMISSION FROM ALAN HAIGH REQUIRED Low Spray Schedule for Home Orchards in the Northeast Here’s my spray schedule for the scores of orchards I manage around SE NY adapted for home owners managing a few fruit trees. It has functioned well for me for over 2 decades, although J. Beetles and brown rot of stone fruit increases the number of sprays and necessary pesticides some years some sites. Stink bugs are also an increasing problem,…

Organic spray schedule

Low-Impact Spray Schedule (2019 Edition)

Here is my “low impact” spray schedule, updated from this old version - Low Impact Spray Schedule (old version). This has been refined over about 15 years of successes and failures. My rough guide for low impact is no wide-spectrum poisons, which also means no PyGanic or rotenone. Spinosad is about as broad a poison that I use. I don’t personally draw the line at organic vs not, but this schedule is mostly organic and I will suggest some substitutions if you want to be 100% organic. My goal …

Welcome to the forum.

[scottfsmith]

I agree the peach has bacterial spot and the apple has scab. Both are extremely common diseases. Copper at leaf fall and again in spring before leaves open is a good treatment for the peach. For scab myclobutanil is the best thing… I think Immunox spray still contains it.

[dkr06022012]

So from the many different spray schedules I have read, will these 3 sprays take care of the problems I have?

[IL847]

If the peach has bacteria spot issue, you need copper spray

[dkr06022012]

Here is some of our backyard. I have not talked my wife into letting me plant anything back here yet!

[dkr06022012]

Sorry for all the questions!

Is there anything that I can spray at this particular time to help the trees?

[mamuang]

You can spray Immunox on apples to protect against scab and cedar apple rust.

Nothing you can do for peach scab or bacterial spot at this point.

Later you may see flagging shoots of peaches. That’s when you can spray Sevin for Oriental Fruit moth (OFM).

What is the main ingredient of your Sevin? I can’t enlarge the label to read it.

[dkr06022012]

Zeta-Cypermethrin

Thank you for the reply. I will pick some of that up next time I am at the store.

So just for clarification, I can mix the Sevin and the Immunox for bugs and some diseases now? Then the Captan (or some other copper spray) in the dormant season?

[IL847]

Besides taking care the diseases, you might want to give it a good doses of fertilizer to encourage the tree grow more leafs.