Do not plant shagbark seedlings. Pecan seedlings make a lot more sense. Pay for some trees from Rockbridge. He uses Major seedlings as rootstock. If you want to start from seed, get some northern seed nuts such as Major.
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Do you have more info on 92-1-238? I canāt find any other reference to it.
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It is a numbered accession provided by USDA ARS. Warren Chatwin should be able to tell you more.
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Warren346 is the most wanted sort of Pecan nuttree in Gemany. As the Pecan tree is not much known here, its difficult to find these nuttrees here. Before nobody knew, you can cultivate it in special warm regions in Germany like the Rhine river valley. Now it is slowly coming up what blue perl this tree is. Common Nuttrees are Walnut, Hazelnut, Pimpernuttree, Creamnuttree. Ive got a >Choctaw< but I need a pollinator tree for that. Any suggestions ?
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Howdy- welcome to the forum! You have a unique way of formatting your posts. I donāt think anyone will confuse your posts for someone elseās. Nice to hear a German perspective on things. Im curious at your mention of the above two species. Are people cultivating pimpernut, a Staphyllea of some kind I gather? Its a pretty obscure plant here, and though theres a native species Im not familiar with it. Can you tell us a little bit more about it? Also, what is ācreamnutā? A google search seemed to indicate itās associated with a few tropical species. Neither of these are on peoplesā radars here to my knowledge, even folks growing oddball nuts like yellowhorn.
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Hello >hobilus<
IĀ“m member of Forum>Garden pur< so I was informed about the Pimpernut, which sounds like a rattle snake, if wind is blowing. That means" Pimper". I got a plant last year, so I must wait atleast 2 Years so that I can tell you more. The Nuts of the Creamnuttree taste like Macadamia if they are rosted. The Flowers of that tree are big and white; there ist also a rose flowered kind. Already for the flowers its worth to stand in the garden. But these nuts, tasting like Macadamia are plants, you must have. And its a Bee feeding plant. 3 advantages for 1 plant! When I was there in New Jersey, every āgartenā looked like a green boring dessert: Only Funkien and gras. I didn`t see grapes, fruiting bushes, cherries, apples, pears, bears Paw-Paws, chestnutsā¦raspberries and different kinds of vegetablesā¦; but in American houses live Children and no calves eating grassā? Here is a firm, named >Deaflora< there i got a lot of extraordinary plants. The Problem is the extreme severe import regulations in USA agricultural customs, who check the luggage with dogs.In order not any corn of seeds.can be imported.
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For Germany, Choctaw is a southern variety noted for producing many nuts which it canāt mature even in deep southern U.S. climates. It is highly unlikely to ever produce nuts in Germany. Varieties suggested for your climate are Warren 346, Campbell NC4, and Lucas. In the most favored areas with longest growing season, you could grow Kanza and Hark. Warren and Lucas are good pollination partners. Hark and Kanza are also good pollination partners.
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Here in South of Baden WĆ¼rttemberg is a leading nursery> Flora Toskana< . They are offering >P. Shoshoni, P. Kiowa, P. Cape Fear, P. Shawnee, P. Cheyenne, and P. Wichita. Each for 79.99ā¬. Which sorts fit together ? Which sorts fit to the Climate here? In summer we have up to 40Ā°C , That means a Climate like in Italy. Infront of this background Ithink former facts must be reversed .
The Sum of heat has increased, especialy in the Rhine river valley. Ungrafted Pecantrees you can buy them here and can be grafted by any Pecan sort.
Pecan seeds also, but they need to be very fresh to grow little trees. Is Choctaw not fit to the new Climate range? Can Choctaw be pollnated by any of them ? Cape Fear ? What do you suppose is a fitting place, where Choctaw can ripe Pecannuts?
Here in Germany 1 kg of Pecan nuts cost between 20- 35 ā¬. Thats why its a good idea to grow these trees.
Pull a copy of this pollination spreadsheet. It has detailed information including bloom type and bloom time for many major cultivars. http://www.selectedplants.com/miscan/PecanPollination.xlsm
Of the varieties listed, none are well adapted to your climate. Kiowa is viable in the right climate, but it is best treated as a temporary tree. It overbears and produces poor quality nuts without heavy pruning. For the first 20 years, it can be very productive. Wichita is viable in some climates, primarily in very dry areas similar to the western U.S. where Wichita is widely grown.
Getting a pecan variety adapted to your climate is primarily a matter of determining length of growing season, number of days above 24C, and how many chilling hours occur during winter. A dutch nursery which you can readily find carries several varieties which can produce in your region. Of the varieties listed in your post, none are good choices. Unfortunately, most who purchase those trees wonāt know there is a problem for 10 or more years.
As an example, where I live is frost free from May 1st to about November 1st. I have about 180 days with growing conditions favorable to many pecan varieties. I canāt grow Elliott or Houma. Elliottās winter chilling requirement is about 200 hours so it breaks buds too early and the blooms are frozen. Houma requires more days of favorable growing conditions and is also very susceptible to cold.
As noted above, the warmest areas could grow Hark and Kanza. Pawnee is well known for early maurity but it is very susceptible to several foliage diseases. Hark, Kanza, Lucas, Warren 346, Oswego, and Campbell NC4 are suggested as best options for reliable production.
Italyās climate is heavily influenced by the Mediterranean. Germany is not similarly affected. You can be hotter in summer and much colder in winter with the exception of northern mountainous parts of Italy.
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Hello my Friend!
There might be a wrong estimation about the devellopment of the climate here in D. Unfortunately I didnt note the morning- and high noon temperatures. My estimation is: frost free from March-November. Now its beginning of February and my weatherstation says 6Ā°c +, no night frost. A Polar Express was forcasted, but until now it didn`t arrive. Last Year and in the beginning 24 climate is up to 10Ā°C, very wet. We have here West weather with strong Atlantic influence. Worst is East weather from Russia or North weather from the NorthSea.
I live in Hurdle Mills, NC, about 45 minutes north of Durham/Chapel Hill. I love pecans and want to plant some. Can anyone help recommend some varieties? I read that our growing season is potentially short for pecans. I see that there are northern pecan varieties, but I donāt know if perhaps we are too hot for them? Also, due to our humidity, I believe scab is an issue for us. So basically, Iām looking for 2-3 perfect varieties that are suited to our temperatures, scab resistant, and make tasty nuts!
Lol.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
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Really tough to find recommended scab resistant varieties at this time of year even if you could get the trees to live. Can be tough at any time of year in my experience. Most suppliers would be sold out even if they ever had them. Pay attention to the rootstock although I would think that the cold would not be too much of a problem in your area for most varieties. The heat would not a problem, but the trees would need water. Iāve read that Cape Fear is a popular variety in North Carolina although its scab resistance is marginal. @Fusion_power has info on scab resistant varieties in the pecan threads.
Yes I saw that. As for varieties, I can be patient as long as I know what Iām looking for 
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Look through Bass Pecan list of varieties and focus on these:
type 1
Amling
Gafford
Jackson
Syrup Mill
type 2
Avalon
Lakota
McMillan
Sterling
If you have room, plant 4 trees, need to be at least 45 feet apart. Pick two of each type. I suggest Amlling, Gafford, Avalon, and Lakota.
Bass is almost 800 miles from your location and Iām not sure if they will ship. Call and ask.
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Thank you. I believe some people also grow Kanza successfully around here, but not totally positive.
A follow-up question: Do Hican grow here or is it too far south? (Or do they not get pollinated without wild shell barks?) Because if a different delicious nut tree would be less fussy than a pecan, I could be convincedā¦
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Hicans will grow in your area, however, very few hicans are worth growing. Burton and T-92 are two Iāve seen produce a reasonable crop. IMO, pecans are an overall better choice.
Kanza would grow fine in your area. You could also grow Hark as a pollination partner. Check out Daveās list at Rock Bridge trees.
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I do not recommend hicans to anyone unless they have unlimited planting space and donāt care if they get nuts or not.
They are weevil magnets, and here (KY/TN line), 90+ % of nuts will be unfilled āblanksā.
Stick to pecans.
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In North Georgia (8A Piedmont area, but with the occasional late freeze), I have Amling, Adams 5, Elliot, and Kanza as yard trees. Do you think these are good choices?
I also have a rootstock that refuses to die, despite the attention of the deer, but it is probably too close its neighbors (about 25 feet). I was thinking of grafting it. Should I just give up on it (for being too closely spaced)? If not, what would you recommend for grafting to it?
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Elliott is going to have cold damage in years with late freeze. Otherwise, acceptable choices.
Measure the actual spacing of your rootstock. If it is 25 to 30 feet from a neighbor, you can get it to produce for about 15 to 20 years and then remove it. Possible graft choices include Kiowa, Creek, Avalon, and Lakota.
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@Fusion_power Is it to late to graft pecan?
Of the walnut and pecan I got from you Iām looking like 75%(6 out of 8) takes. Iām skeptical on that 75 though. They took forever to sprout and donāt appear to be putting on rapid growth. My first time grafting pecan/walnut and may have grafted to early. We will see.