Planning an Orchard


#21

We enjoyed it the very first moment. :slight_smile:

Its really quiet there and its at the end of a small village.

A small bonus was the view which my mother really likes.

She really wanted to see the castle Güssing.

Its about 4km away from our place and we can see it when we walk to the west side.

That was one of the reasons why bought this property :grin:

Though, the shed and the well need to be repaired (last pic, gate and wall)

Indeed, it looks very similar! :grin:

Its a nice place!

The well has a depth of ~10m with a water level of ~2m.

Your familiy is from Austria? Awesome!

Can you speak a little bit german?

:smiley:


#22

I am just going to say a little American history that is near and dear to my heart, since it is about Pennsylvania, where I grew up. Until about 1940, about 1/3 of the people in the state of Pennsylvania spoke a form of German as their first language. Not high German, of course, but a form of Pfälzisch, since that is where most of their ancestors came from. Unfortunately, many of the Pennsylvania Dutch, as the were called (Dutch is a corruption of Deutsch) were either forced or very strongly encouraged to speak English after 1940, since speaking German in or after WW2 was seen as disloyal. Now, there are very few who speak German as their first language, except for a few religious fundamentalists like the Amish and Mennonites.

But when I was growing up, there were still many that spoke it, and their English was very accented and marked by their first language. They would say things like, “Throw father down the stairs his hat,” which made them a little hard to understand, but they got used to us just as we got used to them.

It is unfortunate that there are few in Pennsylvanians anymore who are native German speakers, but they still exist.

And perhaps the German immigrants who were drawn to Pennsylvania found in it a land as beautiful and rich as their homelands—so perhaps it is no coincidence I find your farm to be somewhat reminiscent of where I grew up. :slightly_smiling_face:


#23

It is a really nice looking place. That view alone is worth a lot.

How much land is it? Must be alot considering all the trees you plan to plant…:wink:


#24

Ein bisschen, ich habe zwei yahr deutsch in der shule. :cold_sweat:


#25

Thats interesting and sad at the same time!

The People who migrated back then had to leave most of their loved ones and friends behind and also had to learn a new language and adapt to the new environment.

Today it is more bearable to migrate because we are able to communicate with our familiy and friends which wasnt possible back then.

We also had some very distant relatives who migrated to California, Los Angeles and to Brazilia, Sao Paulo.

Too bad that my grand parents had lost contact with them some decades ago. :frowning:

They may have had children and grand children … but they will never know about us.

Its great that you can somehow relate to this area and the landscape.

If you will ever travel to Austria you are welcome to visit us :slight_smile:

Its nice!

The castle is further away as we can see it on the “horizon”. (The picture is from google, i would need a good camera to make a clear picture from this distance … my Iphone SE is to weak for this ^^)

The area is about 2278m² large.

The shed and driveway take bit from this space away so i would say that i have around 1900m² or more available.

About 78 fruit trees will be planted. (approx. time till complete: End of 2019)

The Orchard should contain these fruit trees:

24 PawPaws

16 Persimmons

6 PVNA Asian Persimmons
2 Astringent Asian Persimmons
4 Hybrid Persimmons
4 American Persimmons

10 Plums

4 Japanese Plums
4 Pluots
2 Hybrids
2 Gages

10 Mulberries

5 Black colored
5 White/Lavender colored

6 Jujubes

4 Unusual Plants (Hovenia Dulcis, Decaisnea Fargesii etc.)

4 Figs

2 Redlove Apples

2 Peaches

You are doing alot better than i did with french in school. ^^

I “tried” to learn that for 2 years and i cant remember a thing, lol

:slight_smile:


#26

Some German immigrants ended up in western Arkansas. I say that because my grandmother on my mom’s side was German. Her parents came to the Ft Smith area about a hundred years ago.

She had blue eyes, was hard working, a great cook, and wasn’t afraid to tell you what she felt! But, she was also one of the most compassionate and generous people I’ve ever known. I still miss her even tho she’s been gone over ten years now.

My Mommie, as me and my sister called her, even tho she spoke English very well, also spoke German. When her older brother would come visit they would converse in German. I tried to learn a little of the language, but never was serious about it.

I took a year of French in high school, and two years of Latin, which was pointless. I mean, how many Romans are ya gonna talk to? I still remember some French, but hardly any Latin.

When I was preparing for my trip to Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, I started to study German more. I could read it better than I spoke it. While over there, I tried to speak it, but usually ended up asking. “Enschudigen Sie, aber sprechen Sie Englisch?” Which to my relief, most of the time was yes.

@Austro_PawPaw, while in Austria, I spent two days and nights in Salzburg. It was really neat to walk in the town that Mozart grew up in. And then I spent a night in Innsbruck, it was so beautiful there. You certainly have a nice place to start your orchard. Viel Glück with your endeavors.


#27

Here is my basic advice: Start small. First, before spending thousands of dollars on the project make sure that you are able to keep up with the maintenance. The project looks huge to me, especially since you can only get to it weekly. My little half acre home orchard is nearly overwhelming in the work it creates for me, and the furthest tree is within 150 ft of my house. I doubt weeds and vines grow any slower there than they do here in South Georgia, USA.

For fruits that don’t keep on the tree such as figs and plums, harvest has to be daily. I don’t grow paw paws but given their soft texture, I imagine that the same will be true for them. Most berries also have to be picked every two or three days or else the birds will get them all. How’s your water access? How much pest pressure you are going to get from mammals, birds and whatever other fruit eating critters you have there? How are you going to address them? How are you going to keep on top of disease and insect pests? My advice is plant some of what you want to grow in the part of it where you have the best access and slowly take in more area. That way you have a better chance to correctly gage what you can realistically maintain.


#28

Very good questions!


#29

Thanks, those are some really important that need to be answered!

I intend to plant around 25 trees the next year.

This is quite managable for us because on our other Orchard we have more trees and we really enjoy being outside on these properties.

It works quite well. :slight_smile:

We also intend to move to Burgenland the next few years when my parents retire.

By that time the trees should start to produce fruit and harvesting will be alot easier because we could visit the place anytime.

We have the well for water access which has about 2m³ water.

A submersible pump will be used to get the water into a 1000l tank which has a ball valve at the bottom.

About pest pressure and diseases:

My main concern there are the deer.

I would like to make a 2m high fence around the property to keep the deer out.

Rabbits may also be a problem for small trees.

There are some usefull animals like the Fox and the Buzzard around there which help to keep the balance intact.

Birds are of course there but there was always enough food for everyone.

Example: At the other orchard we have a large sour cherry tree and the birds are going nuts when the fruit ripens … enough fruits are still left for us :slight_smile:

Same with the other trees.

2 diseases that we certainly have are fruit monilia and peach leaf curl.

So i would say plums and the peaches are the plants that need the most care of all.

I will try to get some peach leaf curl resistant varieties which should help a bit. (Avalon Pride or Jayhaven and Poysdorfer Weingartenpfirsich https://www.schreiber-baum.at/sortenbeschreibung/pfirsich)

And like you said, i will start slowly.

I will plant about half in spring (13) and about half in fall (12).


#30

I basically live on the edge of downtown in Statesboro Georgia. Counter intuitively living in the middle of town means higher pressure from birds and squirrels. And lots and lots of people have pecan trees and people feed birds and you can’t hunt in town, so on account of the birds I have to plant several trees of any fleshy fruit for me to get any. On account of possums and squirrels I have to cover the muscadine grapes with netting. It’s a big fight with the squirrels for pears every year. Socks full of garlic powder hanging in the trees seems to help. Thankfully deer don’t come this close to the business district of downtown very often but it has happened. Out in the country birds and squirrels would not be so bad but deer, raccoons and possums would be much worse. God bless.

Marcus