Alan,you linked to the wrong product, which contains a completely different active ingredient, and seem reluctant to admit it. I linked to the correct product from the source you chose, Do My Own. It clearly does link to the label, all you have to do is click on the tab which says “Labels/SDS." I linked to the label itself from the do my own website and provided it. That label clearly says it is suitable for stone fruit. Now you want to move the goalposts and say that because it is out of stock you are wasting time.
The Amazon link I provided above, and provide again Amazon Bonide Infuse says in big green letters “In Stock.” If you scroll down the page there is a link that says Instructions for Use. Once again it has the exact same label which clearly states the product can be used on bearing stone fruits, as I wrote out in an above post.
Hats can also be enjoyed chopped, then sauteed in a nice lemon garlic cream sauce.
Please look at the label more closely. Only fruit trees where the fruit is not harvested can be sprayed. If you followed my responses over the years you’d know I’m happy to admit I’m wrong and grateful to be corrected. Please don’t suggest I’m not admitting I’m wrong- that’s just, umm…wrong.
I am confused-you believe you can spray it on bearing fruit trees but not harvest the fruit? Where are you getting that info? The label has a section for Non-Bearing fruit and nut trees on page 9 and “Bearing fruit and nut trees.” on page 10. It doesn’t say not to eat the fruit from the bearing trees in the “Bearing fruit and nut trees” section. It doesn’t say not to eat the fruit in the general product information, directions for use, or warning sections. It doesn’t say not to eat the fruit on the front label. Where does it say not to eat the fruit?
Here’s another source with the same product and same label.
I’ve never seen a label with separate instructions for bearing and non-bearing fruit trees so not only was I confused but so was CHAT and so was Alexa- the name of the AI system that provides product information for Amazon customers.
It appears the 3 of “us” are mistaken, which is a good thing. I can go back to recommending Infuse. Now I’m going to scold my buddy CHAT.
Yes it is embarassing to be wrong in a realm where I make my living, but at least it isn’t a fungicide I’ve ever used. No one pointed out that the label listed crop trees after non-crop fruit trees- if they had, this wouldn’t have gone on nearly so long.
CHAT responded that it was as confused by the label as I was and for the same reason.
It is a confusing label to me as well, but the instructions don’t seem to be based on not spraying bearing trees intended for harvest. What the label appears to be saying is that you can apply more sprays if you aren’t gong to be eating the fruit, and they don’t want to miss the opportunity of selling as much product as they can. Hell, a lot of people have fruit trees in their yards that never eat the fruit.
If I had been able to get a screen shot of the label the confusion would have been cleared up sooner for me. I stopped reading it once I got to the first part of ther fruit tree instructions because that has never appeared on any label I’ve ever read before- that is the separate instructions. My nursery fruit trees get LESS spray than my orchard trees. Every fungus they list for apples are primarily spring diseases- the instructions should be illegal. They are encouraging sprays when the disease is never targeted. You could easily assume you need to apply fungicde every 14 days during the entire growing season.
Fruit growers are very lucky this forum exists. Even pesticide labels are filled with misinformation.
Also apples are listed under non bearing , while stone fruit are listed under bearing. Does that mean it can only be used on apples if the fruit aren’t to be used that year? I don’t see any logic in that
My understanding of labeling is that it comes under instruction from the EPA. Correct me if I’m wrong.
This was the topic of recent lawsuits that made it to the Supreme Court, that ruled Bayer/monsanto couldn’t be held responsible in state courts for any cancer that may have resulted from its use, since per the label, that wasn’t a concern.
Ha!! I hate mustard might be why I never wear hats!
I just bought Infuse this spring. It had the same old label it always has. Which states what you quoted. I guess this is a great example of people with good intentions yet still spread false info. No wonder! If it’s in the NY Times or the internet it must be true! Ha both sources are so corrupt, and plain not trustworthy
I miss real news. Just the facts please. I don’t need an opinion I already have one. Well I don’t mind, just sad so many are wrong. Oh well propaganda never works in the end it’s shown for what it is. Deal with it.
Yeah,that is the EPA bureacracy in action for you. It costs a certain amount of money to get a use approved and rules were made when a lot of ag chems were much more dangerous than modern products. The heavyweights in chemical manufacturing and distribution don’t care much about tiny us. The true money is in commercial production- or they probably would have lobbied for more sensible policy. If a pesticide is safe enough for farm workers it should generaly be safe enough for home-owners.
Now there’s an opinion. I guess businesses are just throwing away billions every year on advertising that never works in the end! Only advertising that tells the truth helps sell anything.
You have spread false information here as have I, although we have not contributed an equal amount of useful information and as soon as I find out I’m mistaken I own it and correct it. You are OK on that score as well, if memory serves me well.
Every single source of information about fruit tree growing in home orchards comes with a high risk of misinformation, whether it is from a hubristic grower whose only experience is in one or two soils and one climate and a relatively small sample size or a university researcher, with lots of categories in-between, including commercial growers.
As @haldog said there are two products called Bonide Infuse with different ingredients.
There are two Bonide Infuse products. One is labeled " Bonide Infuse Systemic Disease Control" and the other is labeled " Infuse Lawn & Landscape Systemic Disease Control".
The Landscape produce says “Non bearing fruit trees only”.
The Systemic product says Bearing fruit trees except apple.
And I just bought a 30 pound bag of it for $130 or so- 80% WP. Nutrien Solutions used to carry 7 pound bags of it for a similar per-pound price- more, but not a whole lot more.
Same ingredients different label, right? Both have prop for the acitve ingredient, I’m guessing.
I asked CHAT and it responded that both labels permit spraying edible stone fruit and not apples. One is for attaching to a hose which is to make applying to lawns easier. Both have prop as the only acitive ingredient… not saying CHAT has it right, of course.
Bonide has made it extra confusing with their naming. Their instructions are clear. Here’s a summary:
Bonide Infuse Systemic Disease control-concentrate. Propicanazole. Non-bearing fruits, bearing stone fruit ok.
Bonide Infuse Systemic Disease ControlLawn and Landscape- hose end sprayer. Propicanazole. Non bearing fruits, bearing stone fruit ok.
Bonide Infuse Systemic Disease ControlLawn and Landscape-granules. Thiophanate-methyl. Don’t use on fruit trees, whether they are bearing or non-bearing.
It is the expensive bureacratic hurdles. Any usage on the label must clear the EPA and safety for farm workers is a different category than safety for homeowners that requires lots of money to do. The companies that package for homeowners tend to be relatively small and need to believe they have a wide market to go to the expense to get label permission. Prop is not as affective against the most common apple diseases as is myclo, so why go to the expense? However, prop is relatively affective agianst brown rot- much more than myclo.
In a modern, closely populated society, laws and regulations are increasingly necessary and increaingly difficult to apply efficiently. The laws about pesticides were created in the era of much more dangerous pesticides. Keeping them up-to-date is not a political priority.
Im very happy with the home products for the most part. I just hate when people try to bend the truth. Which is why I started posting on this thread but I should know better as you can’t fix stupid. You can easily deceive the public unfortunately
