could you share Jims technique? i have a yellowish black raspberry from Drew51 id like to clone. can P.M me if you want.
I plan on it and plants should be rooted for Fall or next Spring.
I sort of think that Hartmannās will also as that is what they do.
Here is what i received from them 2 weeks ago. I would never sell something like this to anyone.
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Those look like they were sealed in plastic until they started to decay. It looks like the crown is infected on them all.
A deep soak in Immunox, followed by myclybutanil could be a last effort, but those canes look bad. Gotta dry things out enough for any of that to matter.
I bought 8 tissue cultured Ohioās Treasure from hartmannsplantcompany.com this year. They are allegedly the licensed propagator. I donāt have the inclination or resources to dispute any claims.
I gave four away, and kept four of them. They are supposed to be everbearing black raspberries. I wonāt know their real potential until the end of next year.
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Edible Landscaping is pretty fair on the price of Ohio Treasureā¦they also have Glencoe at a fair price. They seem to do a good job maintaining their plants and the things ive gotten from them have done well.
I think i got my Ohio Treasure from Hirtās. Matt is the fastest and most professional shipper i have ever dealt with.
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I have had OTB for a few years now.
Here in TNā¦ Heritage started in the spring produce a nice fall crop.
OTB started in the springā¦ did not crop that first fall. The next spring they did produce a nice heavy june cropā¦ and produced a very small fall crop that fall. Only a few of the (yr 2) OTB primocanes produced blooms and fruit in the fall.
OTB has been a quite skimpy fall producer for meā¦ but does well on the june crop.
Berry size and flavor are good here.
Some of mine suffered winter damage with our 3F low. Lost lots of cane tips.
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How are your Royalty coming along? Iām thinking of pulling mine as they havenāt set much fruit in three years at our Southern TN locale.
This is my second cropping year on royalty. It did OK last year, but I donāt feel the berries are really distinguishably different from a red raspberry to be worth growing. Glencoe, on the other hand, has a much more unique flavor an appearance to me.
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really? supposed to be z3 hardy .
@steveb4 ā¦ really ā¦ my mystery black and herritage reds had less damage than OTB.
I started a new raspberry bed this year with 2 joan jā¦ 2 purp royalty, 4 bristol blacksā¦ some of those were up and some had not come up yet. I had it mulched good with wood chipsā¦
A dang armadillo got in there and roto tilled the entire bed up. Think i lost about half of thoseā¦ the new tops anyway. They may eventually come back from the roots.
Armadilloā¦ has made #1 on my critter hit list this week 
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ive never had damage on heritage here. another website i saw them rated at z3 also. strange. if your getting winter damage there they dont stand a chance here unless i do like my blackberries and let the snow cover the primo canes.
@steveb4 ā¦ it could just be declineā¦ now that i have had raspberries a few yearsā¦ i can see that here they are similar to strawberries hereā¦ where they do great for 2 or 3 years and then start going down hill.
The location i planted my first rasberries in back in 2020ā¦ has no rasberries nowā¦ except a fall gold that traveled down the bed and came up by one of my apple trees.
There were some still there but they were really shabby lookingā¦ going down hill health wise. Primocanes weakā¦
I took them out and have strawberries growing there now. I may have to figure out a way to rotate strawberries and raspberriesā¦ to keep fresh patches going.
Raspberries dont naturally grow hereā¦ so i guess it makes sense that if planted here they would eventually decline and go out.
I might be able to eventually grow them differentā¦ betterā¦ and get a patch to thrive longerā¦ but for now i am making a new bed somewhere every couple years.
I do not see any sign of decline in logans thoughā¦ they are very happy here in the same spot for 4 or 5 years so far.
Perhaps there are more vigorous healthy raspberries varieties known to do better in the south. Will have to look into that.
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Can anyone with a brandywine confirm some things for me?. Iām located in europe and have ordered brandywine twice from two different polish nurseries. Two plants last year, one this year.
Both the plants from last year and the plant from this year are thornless, which is completely untypical for this variety.
The first ones which I planted last year bloom and should get fruit in the next few months.
Next thing they sucker like crazy, and also quite far from the plant.
Canes also need help, because they bend easily.
Completely different to what is described in the breeding document
(https)://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/5065/FLS-061.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Anyone has any similar experiences ?
I wonder if I got something completely different, like a royalty instead. But the same thing with two different vendorsā¦?
It seems to be quite impossible to get this variety in europeā¦
In the middle of the picture are the two brandywine plants from last year on the left and right are the small suckers.
Also for reference, purple varieties I found that can be bought in europe:
- Shaffers Colossal
- Brandywine
- Royalty
- Glen Cloe
- Black Polka
- Autumn Passion
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i have royalty and it has spines and it also suckers but not as bad as other raspberries.
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Glad to hear Wyoming made its way to you; itās been impossible to find in the US. It is usually for sale someplace in Canada, but I searched for 20 years before finding and obtaining it from the USDA. Subsequently it was removed from distribution there. In fact, Iāve not been able to get any black or purple germplasm since then; have requested Amethyst, Estate, Rex, Lowden Purple, Sodus, Clyde, and maybe some others for several years without success. Sometimes theyāre approved and then canceled, even when I still got red raspberry and gooseberry cuttings, so not sure whatās going on.
Those Wyomings were traded to Jim for a couple of his Amethysts, which are thriving and will yield a small crop soon here in Fairbanks. Looking forward to comparing them with Wyoming. Wyoming has small berries, and they are soft when fully ripe. I just found some that were so ripe theyād started to dehydrate, and the flavor of those was sweet, rich, and incredibly intense. I hear Amethyst berries can size up. If they can also equal or surpass Wyoming in eating quality (and hardiness, but so far so good, and Jimās son grew Amethyst for several years up here), Iāll be really impressed.
This Wyoming is a bit weak, but still productive; a well grown specimen can support several 12ā canes and produce gallons of fruit:
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The Brandywine Purple Raspberry plant was developed at Cornell University in the New York Agricultural station at Geneva, N.Y. A beautiful hybrid between a red raspberry and black raspberry, Brandywine produces delicious purple raspberries throughout the summer and fall. Considered to be a less vigorous spreader than most raspberries, Brandywineās thorns are also more spaced out than other raspberry varieties. Brandywine berries have been widely used in wine making and are fantastic for baking, turning from purple into a vibrant red when cooked. Hardy to zone 4.
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That is how OGW describes Brandywine.
It says thorns spaced outā¦ but what you got has no thorns at all ?
I have a couple purple royaltyā¦ started this springā¦ they are big stout canesā¦ thornsā¦ i tipped them a couple weeks ago and they are sending out fruiting laterals in the top now. Looks like i will get a good crop from them next year.
Glencoeā¦ is one i would like to try as well.
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Brandywine does not produce from summer to fall. That makes it sound like a primocane variety, which is definitely not. It fruits right at the end of black raspberry season like most purples do.
Indiana berry says Brandywine produce in summer and out produce most reds.
If they produce after blacks, during summerā¦ would probably hit my SWD peak here July. Probably not for me.
My Glencoe thornless are failingā¦ leaves and canes look horrible. Probably my least thriving plant that i have. Maybe next year will be better. Im going to cut everything to the ground and give it another try.
Royalty and Brandywine both need tying to the wires and are floppyā¦ if i dont pay attention they will grow sideways. Maybe next years canes will be stronger. Mine are 2 yrs old.
Wyomingā¦super vigorous and i got a few berriesā¦they are small but crumbly. These formed on canes i planted in May. I should have cut these to the ground when i got them. Plants have reached top wire but canes are skinny. Nothing like Amethyst was at this age. I will probably cut them to the ground. The plants should be similar to Amethyst but berries half the size. Perhaps more flavor.
Amethyst- Most vigorous of all purples/blacks. Canes are thick, strong and erect no tying needed. Canes easily went to almost 20 feet in July and i couldnt manage them anymore so i cut them all to 6 feet. This wasnt the wisest move wasting all that energy. Going forward i will tip these at 6 feet and i will have to constantly tip. Its almost too vigorous and my 5 plants are too many. 2 plants would give you all that you could want. 3 plants allowed to do their thing would be a jungle and need a 50X50 area. Its prolific. Mine fruited during alot of rain this year and i had nice full sized berries but taste was sort of watery. One of the drawbacks of fruiting early. A good climate these will fruit in mid to late June. I think these would be much better in a very northern climate that will fruit in August with a short season. Or perhaps a drier June than i had this year. Jim offers these in May(ish) depending on the weather in NDā¦ i dont think i will propagate them myself due to lack of interest and most people dont like to grow things that they dont know. Purples are too weirdā¦and an obscure variety like this and Wyoming are just too weird to most.
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do you think the āsort of wateryā taste was a one-off or does it sound normal for Amethyst?
we have grown Royalty and they were OK - most places describes them as āmildā and I would agree; large, productive but taste OK. not bad, mildly sweet and pleasing - OK
It would be very interesting if it was super productive and had excellent flavor
I like blacks, reds and yellows all better
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