I can think of one reason it would be better to graft on a shoot coming from underground versus from off the side of the stump. That would be the one coming from underground could grow roots in all directions and not hollow out, while the one coming off the stump would be a tree growing off a hollow stump that would probably have hollowed out roots. Not necessarily a whole lot different though.
Heres a pear tree that sprouted from the stump at my grandfathers old place, sprouted above the graft, so left it.
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That helps - I think I understand it a bit more now.
I have no qualms grafting onto a root sucker rather than a shoot coming off the stump. Perhaps Iāll prioritize the suckers.
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One thing here is persimmon wood is so much harder and denser than pawpaw wood.
Iād bet pawpaw wood rots a lot faster than persimmon.
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Agree the wood is very different (I like reminiscing about the days when golf driver heads were made of persimmon 
).
Tim, youāve had success grafting onto pawpaw āstump shootsā right?
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Havent had any stump shoots to graft, but Iām a big fan of prioritizing grafting onto a younger shoot vs a older stump.
Cliff told me he doesnt recommend grafting a pawpaw stem over an inch and a half. And persimmons he recommended 4ā or less.
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I am new to this group and trying to learn what I can about grafting, especially persimmon. I have numerous wild persimmon on my property and have acquired scion wood from Clifford England to hopefully graft to my wild stock. My trees vary in size from about 14 inch diameter to little root sprouts , so was particularly interested in reading the contributors thoughts about grafting to larger stumps. This was very helpful and any other tips would be greatly appreciated. Thank you to all contributors.
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@RichardParker and othersā¦
Keep an eye out for psyllid attacks on your new growth from persimmon scions.
Psyllid seem to be especially attracted to that new growthā¦ and will at times wear it out. They are kind of like aphidsā¦ sap suckers.
On mature persimmons they may simply cause the leaves to curl along the edges.
No treatment normally needed.
But on a fast growing shoot from a persimmon scion they can really do some damageā¦ I have lost a few grafts to themā¦ that just a few weeks earlier were looking great.
They normall start showing up here as it warms up good and the shoots are growing fast.
Capt Jack deadbug brew (spinosad) has worked Ok for me. Not great but ok.
I may try some pyrethrin concentrate this year.
TNHunter
Cuts on persimmon trunks heal very slowly here so I avoid bark grafting on any trunk over maybe 3 or 4 inches in diameter,
If much larger than 1-1.5" diameter, better graft 2,3 or more scions around the circumference of the beheaded rootstock.
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Many thanks to all of you!