I’d be willing to fly out and buy potted trees if she’s wiling to sell, but don’t know how I’d get them back to tx. 3 day drive, I don’t have that much time as I’m starting a new electronics company
are you THAT Bob Hawkins from dfw who sent somebody in vegas winter delight scions? If you are, then SO glad to see you here!
(and if you’re not that person, still glad to see you here 
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Yes that’s me. Winter delight doing ok?
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got to thank you one more time, and yes, they are doing fine. They didn’t grow much but at least have two fruitlets forming. I hope the hail and chilling rain we incredibly got pounded with today didn’t ‘get in the way’ of their development.
really appreciate it.
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Hi all jujube experts. Do these look like secondary branch scion grafts?? I was not aware of the secondary branch issue
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I cleft grafted two jujubes on tigertooth rootstock because I didn’t want sour or indian jujube suckers in my yard. I got the Winter Delight scion wood from Cliff England and Sihong scion from a someone who got their tree from Roger Meyer. The grafts took, but are not growing a primary branch. Also, the Sihong is sprouting from the callous tissue formed at the top cut end of the scion as well as from the bud. The cut was made nowhere near a bud, so I guess Sihong has mutant abilities of regeneration like Wolverine?
adventitious/dormant nodes do exist above the ground, but not as common as below-ground(which become root suckers).
they don’t always grow upright branches when they start leafing out. However, there’s a good chance they will be doing so soon, considering the development of adventitious nodes.
btw, sihong is a variety have observed inclined to develop upright/primary stems from the tips of lateral(or secondary) growth, which seldom occurs in other varieties, even older specimens. And yes, your scion with adventitious node appear to be upright bud wood, but the bottom specimen seem to be lateral bud wood.
below is an adventitious shoot about to be decapitated to encourage upright growth development from the graft above it. As you are probably aware, nodes in jujube branching generally occur below the laterals(visible in the photo too), and not above it. Rootstoc is lang, and graft is hj.
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That’s very good information jujubemulberry. How can I encourage the Winter Delight(2nd photo) lateral scion to grow a primary branch? My scion wood source said this about the second photo:
“what you are seeing is growth on a weak rootstock
All nodes on JUJUBE have the ability to produce Vegetative apical meristem or fruiting wood and both can arise from each and every node there is no way to distinguish them apart and all fruiting nodes can and do switch in the event there is not another node present”
I was only able to line up the scion to one side of the rootstock due to it’s smaller thickness. Also this scion didn’t callous as much. Could he be right about a weak rootstock or graft union inhibiting primary branch growth? Is the node spent with the three lateral branches coming out of it or can the node still produce more branches?
full-sun, plenty of water(on well-drained soil), removing all fruits(if any), and removing all growth from below the graft. [quote=“snowjunky, post:129, topic:446”]
what you are seeing is growth on a weak rootstock
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i agree, this is a possible scenario, even with upright/primary scions.
this, of course, is if you believe in senescence of cuttings(and jujube/apple rootstock suckers are cuttings, just as figs are cuttings). There will be optimistic folks who claim that perennial trees only die as a result of disease/hostile conditions, but otherwise supposed to live forever in the absence of diseases or hostile conditions, but there will be pessimists(like me) who claim ageing is real and will ultimately manifest, after several hundred years for long-lived species… If your sucker rootstock happens to be a serial clone from a trans-pacific rootstock from china, that rootstock could well be thousands years of age and may already be declining. Grafting to a young rootstock(say, spinosa seedling) is a reasonable approach, at least to get that part of paranoia ‘out of the way’. Grafting old cuttings to young rootstock confers a great deal of juvenility.
also generally true, and most critical statement above is [quote=“snowjunky, post:129, topic:446”]
do switch in the event there is not another node present
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which is why it is vital to remove all growth from below the graft.
as for my saying that it is ‘generally true’ , the reason is that jujus may sometimes develop aberrant fruiting stems(also known as herbaceous bearing shoots) which thicken and lignify. These are the least desirable stems you could use as scion wood
yes, it is possible.
it is not spent, for as long as it is ‘artificially conferred’ apical dominance by your proactive removal of fruits and removal of growth from below the graft.
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btw, could you post a few more pictures of your winter d scion. Up close shots if possible? There is still a chance it might be upright growth and not a lateral.
Here are 4 pics from different angles. If it’s not a primary branch I’ll have to locate more Winter Delight scion wood. Cliff England ran out.
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sorry, didn’t mean to confuse you, but the original pic you posted was vague from that angle.
but have good news for you @snowjunky, it is actually a primary branch.
if the rootstock is on its second year and has not been compromised, you could probably coax it with a good serving of miracle grow mix, full-sun, and ample water. If still no response after a year or so, it is probably a sub-prime rootstock that is taking too long to recover/boost its reserves, or it may be afflicted with something or simply just too old.
if your other rootstock clones are not laggy as this one, then age is probably not the issue(jujus are generally disease-free here in usa), and could just blame the graft for being sub-prime, since the cambium is only active half-way. If you have grafting putty, it would help to minimize moisture losses by slathering the union all over(gently, that is).
sapwood(be it rootstock or scion) that is exposed to air will crack and warp depending on fluctuations in ambient temps/rain/ and humidity. The cracks will speed up desiccation during hot weather. It is only when the entire thing is surrounded with actively growing callus/bark will desiccation be totally prevented.
if this doesn’t prosper despite all remedial steps, you could probably just snip the distal segment with a node (since you have two nodes on the scion)next year and graft onto a tree/rootstoc with proven vigor.
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That’s great news. I will baby this thing for now. Spring is coming, so it might not take long. Thank you very much for your help jujubemulberry!
you’re welcome, and keep us posted!
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Does anyone have any jujube suckers or rootstocks I could purchase? I have scions, but need some nice roots to graft onto. Thanks for considering!
Wow- this is quite an old thread (2015…). I remember being very disappointed when none of the 50 rootstocks resulted in a living tree. I was also pretty embarrassed, as I had shared some of the stocks with various friends and even helped one plant several in their yard. I don’t recall if one or two put out a couple leaves before dying, but if so it was the exception. Most did nothing. In recent years, I’ve been harvesting my own suckers and can see it isn’t that easy to get them with any significant amount of roots. And I have plenty of failures, even without having to do it early in CA, ship them across the country and wait even longer for grafting and planting.
Now, if I am going to graft to a sucker, it gets potted right away. That’s with or without grafting- sometimes I put the sucker in a pot for a year to establish and only graft to it if it works. Depends if you have extra scionwood and time to potentially waste. Once it is a take,I can decide what to do with it after it grows for a year.
In terms of your question, I don’t think there are many places that offer jujube rootstocks. Even getting the trees right now is tough- most of my go-to sources are sold out already.
Rolling River nursery used to offer them for $15 each. They were bought by Planting Justice and I don’t see them listed anymore.
I think a few people reported getting jujube rootstocks from 39th Parallel nursery, though I don’t think they ever offered jujubes on their site. You may want to ask them if they have any.
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How many are you wanting?
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Thanks Bob. I’ve got 6 jujubes going, and I’m hoping to expand my little jujube forest. 
I’ll reach back if I find any good sources. Thanks for getting back to me.
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I’m looking for 5 jujube rootstocks, but I’ll happily take any I can find! 
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Sent you a PM
Hi,
…planted my first jujubes this year… Sugar Cane and Russian #2…decided I have room for one more next year…If you had these two, and could add one more, what would it be?..and where would it be available from?..thanks much…appreciate all I’ve learned about jujubes from you and others…Ron
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