@RUenvsci, I have Prok, Saijo, Tam Kam and 100-46 grafted on it. As long as I keep my NG alive, they should help with cross pollination.
It is very hard for me to tell. I think the two halves on the left had seeds. What do you think?
Dang Tippy. That’s a tough picture to look at.
I’m into year 8 of fruit trees and guess what? I’ve eaten one peach. Now isn’t that terrible?
Good wishes, however.
Dax
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You definitely have it a lot tougher. Hope they will produce for you next year.
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Absent of your picture, I’m heading towards persimmons, pawpaws, & pears as main trees here. They require no sprays and will fruit. But, now I have to start planting them.
Stone fruits are simply difficult to grow. Cherries I will contend are “pretty easy” here. Japanese beetles though… you literally have to spray every day and several times per day.
Dax
I have heard that NG sulks more than other varieties.
Hope your persimmons hold on to their fruit.
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E pears are known to take a long time except for the Harrow series. Have your grown any?
A pears are even easier for me. They produce by year 3 or 4 and a lot less work than stone fruit.
Not yet. But I grafted 31 varieties of pears this year and have grafts of them all I’m sure. Must of had 10 A. pears in the mix.
I hope by this Fall that both my hands will have healed strong from carpal tunnel surgery or I’ll be stuck with all those grafts in tubs until next spring.
Thanks for the info on E. pears, especially…
Dax
The key is whether these other varieties produce male flowers. I don’t know enough about those other varieties to know if they produce male flowers in addition to female flowers.
Bahm!
You’re a lucky lady. I’d keep that bottom flower or two’s fruit if the graft is very strong. See how they all develop, first.
It’s against wisdom to keep fruit, but, I’d be tempted pretty easily there.
Dax
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Dax,
This graft is on a small potted seedling. If any of those flowers set fruit, I will let 1-2 stay.
I have two other Prok grafted to a NG and another seedling.
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Unless you live in Calif. or Arizona that seems to be the way it goes. Dax My Enterprise took ten years to fruit. Last year it had fruit. This year it has one apple! Fruit trees are about being patient. I see the pics of our fellow forum members, their yards and fruit trees. They are all so beautiful. Cannot wait to move to a warmer climate !
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It’s been a rough time. 8-years and waiting. I’m pretty well though tossing in the towel growing stone fruit. As I drive on the highway there are Japanese beetles bumping off my windshield and you can see them swarming all over the air. Add disease and all pest related issues, they’re too much for me to mess with. I’ll try apples. I’ve been enjoying eating Honeycrisp from the supermarket lately while I had never considered myself a fan of apples. But, I’m now becoming hooked.
It’s going to be pears, persimmons, pawpaws, & apples mainly.
All the best,
Dax
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Don’t forget the low maintenance sweet tasting jujube.
Tony
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Thank you, Tony. I did forget.
Dax
I have not seen much other reference to JBT06. Can you tell me about it?
I have no more. I had 4. but the wild animals broke everything.
It made male and female flowers. Scionwoods purchased from Cliff.
So basically almost all named American varieties are pure females (and don’t require a male unless want seeds to use as rootstock or to make a AmericanXAmerican cross)?
How about if you grew seeds of an AmericanXAmerican cross? They also would be a mix of mostly pure male, pure female, and a small percentage chance of a weird variety that makes branches of both male+female (like i think i read Szukis and Early Golden do this)? and the pure female seedlings wouldn’t require a male to make fruit? Or is that a special feature of named varieties, that they make females flowers and also have this ability to not need a male to make fruit (but could you also have a female tree that needs a male pollinator to make fruit)?
army,
You are correct that most of the named American persimmon selections available in the trade are female, producing only female flowers, and most (at least in the 90-chromosome race) are capable of parthenocarpy - producing seedless fruits in the absence of a male pollenizer.
Members of the Early Golden/Garretson family are noted for occasionally pushing branches sporting male flowers - or, even, ‘perfect’ flowers, having both staminate and pistillate parts. Szukis is, IIRC, a ‘bisexual’ (polygamodioecious) fruiting male… and a member of that EG/G family; has male and perfect flowers, so can serve as a pollenizer and produce fruit, as well.
While I’ve never yet - in 4 different grafting seasons - been able to get a successful graft of Nikita’s Gift (all scionwood I’ve been gifted has had those telltale black streaks telling me that they’re gonna fail), numerous discussions here on this forum convince me that NG is just prone to dropping all fruit for a long time before it finally decides to start holding them. I tell myself that that’s too much disappointment… and not to try propagating it again. 
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Thanks for the info… How about un-named seedlings (in the 90 chromosome race), like ones you’d grow out yourself? females from those would most likely be making female-only flowers and have parthenocarpy (self-fruitfful)? or would those 2 things are not mutually inclusive?