Should we allow AI generated text on this forum?

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You are talking about AI from months and years ago, Current AI doesnt blur fingers or hair, at least the decent ones dont. Go on instagram if you want evidence of this.

AI is rapidly evolving and while some may find it scary, it is also incredibly useful. Personalized AI running on on peoples handheld devices is going to get crazy really quickly, they are already testing this and its kinda wild… What I really dont like is AI that is programmed to lie to the public, thats what is really scary imo. Im not 100% pro or anti AI, but it is very useful for finding existing information or creating step by step instructions to do something etc.

BTW this AI discussion is going to be largely irrelevant soon, becasue AI will rapidly become so built into many products, most users wont know or care they are using it…

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This thread isn’t an argument against people using AI for their own search for information. It’s really an argument about whether what’s generated should be allowed in place of people making their own posts.

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I understand that, but some people have access to better AI resources and know how to utilize AI better than others. So if someone asks a question, and I dont know the answer, but I help them by finding the information using AI enhanced tools and provide that to them, would that be better than them not getting an answer at all?

Remember, there really isnt AI at this time, most of what people are calling AI is essentially enhanced search, using better algorithms to find and summarize information from the web. There is some generative AI to make images etc, which can be fun to play with, but thats not really much that people would be posting in a forum like this.

I did use AI to generate these images, which turned out kinda neat, just to give an idea what its capable of.

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Your images remind me how much I hate AI art. I don’t know why but I always hate it and I generally can tell unmarked art that is AI just by the smell it gives off.

Also for the tools I also use them all the time. In fact I recently bought perplexity Pro to get more in-depth searches. That said, they are extremely good at putting out half-truths stated as facts. Perplexity lets me go to the source pages which I find critical as it can show what the AI got wrong.

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If it really comes down to no one here being able to answer someone’s question then that leads to a couple issues. First, that means it’s an obscure enough question that there aren’t many people who have knowledge of how to answer it (if even anyone can). That means there will be little in the way of relevant resources for the AI to pull from on the web. That will also mean that no one would be available to vet the quality of the AI answer to determine if what it gives is of sufficient accuracy.

So to answer your question… Yes, in some cases it is better to leave questions unanswered.

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I dont agree, there is vastly more information available on the web than there is in the members of this forum. Im fine with marking AI generated answers, but Id rather have an answer that might be only partially accurate, than no answer at all, as long as Im aware of that.

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lol, you might as well get used to it. Just wait until ‘organics’ are discriminated against in hiring etc, it might not be too far away… Ive found some ‘imaginative’ AI answers as well, thats why I dont rely on them as TRUTH, but its a better starting point for me than the BS google or bing standard search pages.

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I’d say that’s a very common human feeling. That seems to put you in the norm when you look at the trend throughout history. People hate not knowing things and it has led us to great increases in knowledge. It appears to be the norm for people to create explanations even when they do not have the resources to find the actual truths. That’s why so many rich and interesting myths exist today. I just personally find that accepting what we do not know helps keep the path clear for finding the actual answers when we are ready to find them.

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I want to express my concern that this thread seems to be deviating from the forum’s intended purpose, which is to discuss topics related to growing fruits, nuts, and garden-related matters. While I appreciate the value of AI-generated content in communication, it’s important to ensure that discussions remain relevant. This thread appears to be unrelated to growing fruits, and it’s puzzling why a moderator has not intervened. Perhaps there is a lack of moderation in this forum. Let’s ensure that our discussions align with the forum’s objectives to provide value to its members.

It absolutely doesn’t matter if the post generated with AI assist or manually created, the most important part is the content.

Members, please STOP posting after this post.

If you don’t have anything to talk about related to growing fruits, let us know how your pets/ children/ weather or your favorite sports player or team doing.

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The guy who started this forum posted on this thread 30 minutes before yours. Calm down

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That sounds pretty off topic also… :stuck_out_tongue:

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This thread is in the “About This Forum” section where we are supposed to discuss the rules, standards, and community norms of the forum. This section is NOT for discussions about fruit growing, which would be off-topic.

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That is off topic indeed but not the level of this AI issue. We are living in a modern society where AI assist is almost every where. My point was to tell the people to move on from this thread.

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Is this written in part by AI? It has a certain feel. Just curiosity.

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I understand your point, but to me, the ‘About this Forum’ section seems more closely related to ‘Fruit Growing.’ Perhaps a different title, such as ‘Other Topics,’ would better reflect its contents.

I want to ensure I’m not being overly critical of this thread. OP, I know it can be disheartening when threads are criticized. I apologize if my previous comments were offensive.

Regarding the issue of AI-generated content, if we collectively decided not to allow it in the forum, it might be challenging to identify which texts were generated by AI. Even if we could, constantly nagging about it could create more problems. That’s why I even suggested to talk about something different such as pets, weather, sports.

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If someone were writing a good futuristic dystopian novel it would probably have some element of those sentiments. There is a certain amount of symbolism for the future.

Concern about AI probably just parallels the general state of society and our overall distrust of the people around us.

But this whole thread should probably be put under a new “philosophy” category. It really has no practical purpose, but it is fascinating to read everyone’s views.

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Please read the above post. Now my point is making sense, I hope.

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This topic is in “the about this forum” About This Forum - Growing Fruit
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That in my opinion is very much meant for discussions exactly like this one.

And most of the moderators of this forum have posted in this topic.

If you don’t want to see discussions that are not about growing fruit. But are more about the workings/direction of this forum. You could mute this section of the forum.

Top left, (red arrow) you can select the “About This Forum” section (or any other you want to mute)
Top right (red arrow) there is a bell icon. If you click that you get a dropdown menu. With at the bottom the option to mute this section.

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I think people post questions to this forum, to get reliable/vetted answers and hear other peoples real life experience with the subject.

Not to have some one else ask their question to an AI for them.

However if they want some one else to help them ask their question to an AI, they can ask. And i would have no objection to that.

Where i have issues, is with AI generated text being copy pasted to the forum without proper sourcing.

Since these texts are often full of errors. But seem like they are written by an expert. This can be very misleading. (especially to a forum member without enough experience to “vet” the accuracy of the text)

You are also posting something that’s “not your own” by copy pasting AI generated text. This leads to responsibility issues. (whos responsibility is it to vet the accuracy of the generated text for example.)

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Your criticism is not disheartening. And that’s why there is a discussion here. I welcome discussion and criticism about the subject of this topic. (AI generated text. And it’s use/place on the forum)

However, I’m not sure how “on topic” or “useful” it is to tell other people they should not continue to talk about it in this topic.

You have done that a few times now. (see quotes below)
But it seems like people still want to discus further. So my advice would be to either discus the subject of this topic. Or ignore/mute the topic if it bothers you to much.

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AI “art” is the unauthorized use of artists’ work to mash up something that will pass at a glance. if you look closer you start to see the weirdness - the uncanny feeling you get from it is your subconscious recognizing what’s wrong before your eyes register it fully.

that snake is a good example. where is is body? why do the scales go the wrong way, if you follow the curves? look at the eyes of the “native” woman in that image. or the lost background in the landscape.

artists make choices about lost edges in order to direct your focus, to move your eye through a composition. AI is not intelligent (this stuff is not generative - it isn’t creating brand new things) it simply mixes things together with no regard for composition, focal point, eye movement, or any of the artistic skills underlying the work.

I could discuss this further but it’s really not as relevant as the big thing: I don’t come here to read what your computer found out, I come here to read what you think, what you experienced, and if there’s references agreeing with that yeah, a link is cool. I’ll read it.

I don’t want to read what predictive text machines found, mainly also because I’m not getting the link to the article, to the research, and I’m not hearing your personal thoughts.

I value the things people here have to say because they’ve planted the thing and looked at it with their eyeballs. because they’ve read and understood an article or source.

plagiarism programs don’t understand the information they’re telling us. they’re just remixing it without experience.

edit; I provide for you here an article from a landscape painter discussing why artists make the decisions they make, rather than copying what they directly see. no predictive program does this, it’s a thoughtful process. when eventually we have fully sentient AI, ACTUAL artificial intelligence, those beings will be entitled to respect as sentient beings and I’ll have a different and more welcoming opinion on it all.

“information is not art”

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