Sweetest Cornus Mas Cornelian Cherry?

Interesting:

Jerzy Piórecki in the Arboretum in Bolestraszyce near Przemyśl at the turn of the 1970’s and 1980’s. He collected the most valuable ecotypes found in south-east Poland, e.g. in Bolestraszyce, Prałkowce, Florianka, Wyszatyce. They became output material for obtaining the first Polish cultivars of cornelian cherry such as: ‘Bolestraszycki’, ‘Dublany’, ‘Florianka’, ‘Julisz’, ‘Kotula’, ‘Kresowiak’, ‘Paczoski’, ‘Podolski’, ‘Raciborski’, ‘Słowianin’, ‘Swietłana’, and ‘Szafer’

and from the same source:

Swietłana’ – seedling found in Ukraine. Medium-early cultivar, ripening
in mid-September. Large fruit (3.5 g, 2.4 cm in length), pear-shaped, dark
-cherry colour. Share of stone 14%. General-use cultivar, content of sugars
14%, acids 2.5%. Broad shrub, fast falling fruit.

The only data I have found is that the fruit is vividly red. Swietłana does not appear in any table. I will dig into the sources.

Per OGW: “An early ripening selection from the Kyiv Botanic Garden in Ukraine, Svitlana™ features good crops of large, very sweet and flavorful fruit. Disease-resistant and easy to grow, it is prized for its prolific display of yellow flowers in February, which are followed by abundant, dark red fruit in early fall. Formerly known by the cultivar name U-26.”

So it would seem there may be two Swietłana / Svitlana’s? Or is it that the seedling was found in Ukraine, and then raised and bred in Poland?

Many websites agree it comes from a polish arboretum: Cornouiller Swietlana - La Pépinière Du Fruitier
https://www.tutifruti.at/kornelkirsche-cornus-mas-svietlana-topf
Kornoelje - Swietłana

But the polish ones say it is Ukrainian in origin (as do the English):
https://onegreenworld.com/?s=svitlana

Disregard, I found my answer:

Variety grown in Bolestraszyce Arboretum. It was obtained by sowing seeds from a bush growing in Ukraine
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietlana.html

Hurray!

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@zone7a I think that there is still a possibility that U-26 is different from the variety grown in the Bolestraszyce Arboretum. That being said, if you do get U-26 I will be interested to hear about how it is for you. So far, I have planted Sunrise, Aliosha, and Coral Blaze but it will be a few years before I have any notes (assuming the trees establish well).

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I found a great site here: Szkółka Cornus



It has a lot of the varieties and their description.

I am in contact with Jill (owner of now defunct? winter cove farm) which seems to be the source of U-26, which makes sense to be the same Svitlana: Cornus mas 'Swietłana'

(In case anyone else wants to peruse this website, there is no search. But I did some work for you :slight_smile: )
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_szafer.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_alex.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kasanlaker.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_matador.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_bylda.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietlana.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_raciborski.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_devin.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_korallowyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_wladimirskij.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietljaczok.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_bolestraszycki.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_flava.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_elegantnyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kotula.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_dublany.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_paczoski.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_ekzoticznyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_alosza.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_nikolka.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_shan.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_titus.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_radost.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_pancharevo.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_elena.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kostia.html

As I understand it, the ones that are readily available in the US are:

  1. Coral Blaze = Koralovyi Marka
  2. Exotica = Ekzotychnyi
  3. Red Dawn = Syretskyi / Radost
  4. Red Star = Vydubetskyi
  5. Sun Rise = Marina
  6. Svitlana = U-26/Svitlana
  7. Yellow = Yantarnyi
  8. Elegant = Elehantnyi
  9. Pioneer = Lukianovskyi
  10. Aurea = Aurea
  11. Red Stone = Red Stone
  12. Big Fruit = Big Fruit
  13. Yugo Sweet = Yugo Sweet
  14. Butylochnyi (from John’s website)
  15. Devin (from John’s website)
  16. Shumen (from John’s website)
  17. Vavilovets (from John’s website)
  18. Alyosha = Alosza
  19. Helen = Olena

But, John also recorded above several others including szafer, Jolico, Kostia, flava, and fruitful, so there’s hope they’d be available eventually too

To answer the original purpose of the thread, I think Coral Blaze is the variety which:

  1. Per https://cornus.pl/files/dynamicContent/sites/t10sxq/images/pl/webpage_15/m5pvxzbr/element_646/rwdMode_1/1073x747/Tabela_odmian.webp has the highest sugar/acid ratio
  2. Is available in the USA
  3. Is prolific (36kg in 10y is the highest on that table)
  4. Is large

And therefore may be considered the sweetest / one of the sweetest (@wildforager has other results from his collection not part of an “official” study which may be sweeter by the sugar/acid definition, and there are varieties which are definitely sweeter in sugar/gram or sugar/dry mass definition too)

Taste (and “dessert quality”) is subjective- as I see in their very own table, Bukowinski is not rated dessert quality while Jantarnyj, despite Bukowinski having more sugar and less acid and being bigger and both being Yellow varieties… So maybe I shouldn’t trust these numbers and I should just plant them all…

For now, I am likely to plant a Svitlana to represent dark red (September fruiting, supposedly even ripener and tasty), a coral blaze for red (September, supposedly tasty), and a [alyosha if I can get it and yellow if not] for yellow (August and early//Sept and productive).

And if Cornelian cherries can be grafted, then I will be very happy to graft and make a full report!

PS: Unfortunately the 20 or so varieties available in the US represent less than half what is available in Europe: Szkółka Cornus

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An interesting puzzle about sunrise. Whitman farms has a picture of pear shaped fruit where OGW has a cherry shape. The only European orange one looks very much like the cherry
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Ogw:
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Whitman:
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But I have found no reference to marina or a reference that the one shown is the same as sunrise. Can anyone help track down the name/parenthood of sunrise?

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no offense to Lucile or Whitman farms in general. I love their store and offerings, but I find the images on their website to be unreliable.

Their image of ‘Big Fruit’ might lead you to believe it is a yellow fruited cultivar with red blush, but it is in fact all red when mature

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@zone7a I have looked into this because I have Sunrise from Whitman. In the thread above wildforager mentioned that he got his Sunrise from Whitman as well and that it looks like the OGW picture. There is a Facebook group for Cornelian Cherry and I found that in that group it seems that a cornelian cherry expert confirmed that Sunrise looks like Koralovyi (aka Marina) while Coral Blaze looks like Koralovyi Marka.

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As I suspected from the pictures because there’s only 1 known variety of orange cherries I’ve seen. but what’s odd is why does it have the name “marina”? Is it because coral would be too confusing with coral blaze? I’ve only seen marina a few places… Either way thank you for confirming!

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Well, as the OP, this certainly makes me glad one of the two cultivars I started with is Coral Blaze (alongside Yellow). This will be their second leaf this spring. Also just planted Ugolk, Aliosha, and Yugo Sweet two weeks ago. In contact with another nursery to get Flava, then calling it quits on new cultivars at least until I get decent fruit set.

The trees are still quite small, but the flowers come earlier than Forsythia here in MD and when they get bigger I hope they will be quite showy in my front yard at the very least.

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I’m growing it. Its a mid season variety and seems average to me. My tree is still small though. I’ll probably test the brix on it this year.

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It looks like Cricket Hill Garden currently has cornelian cherry varieties for sale for fall 2025. I see that Yugo Sweet and Aliosha are showing as still available
Fruits and Berries for Shipping – Cricket Hill Garden

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FYSA I contacted a plant government person who directed me to https://acir.aphis.usda.gov/s/

Cornus mas is not authorized pending pest risk analysis so it will be extra difficult to import seedlings. Seeds may be the only reasonable way for individuals in the US to import the European varieties

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Seedlings would be better than nothing I have a hedge of 14 seedlings. I’m happy with the fruit.

I let them ripen on be counter. I make syrup with them. It’s quite tasty!


Cultivars are picked for a reason. And if you want good fruit production, go with a cultivar and not a seedling. I bought one that was supposed to be yellow fruited and the fruits do indeed turn yellow. But then they turn red. Produces loads and loads of fruit.
. I myself did some breeding. Not of cornus mas though. It might be fun. I had a blast with raspberries and peaches and a few other items. Like the world’s first primocane fruiting purple raspberry. Grow out seedlings from your best cultivars. You might get lucky and get a bigger fruit or more productive plant. Cross the best of the best cultivars here and get something special. I noticed in my seedlings great variations in ripening time. Some early some super late. It would be cool to have selections that ripen throughout the growing season to extend harvest.

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@Bigmike1116 how did your Cornus mas grow in 25?

Has anyone tried Redstone and is it really dwarf? Cricket Hill lists it as 7’ tall and 5’ wide.

I don’t have room but am really interested in trying one and grafting. My idea is Redstone so it’s one less big thing I have to try to keep small, and graft black plum and yugo sweet since they have those as scions.

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I’ve heard grafting can be difficult (not impossible!) if you do graft, please document the process! I planted two varieties and would want to graft sometime in the future to try more

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Thanks for the warning. What did you plant and how are they doing?

I’ve gone over budget for this spring. I think this will happen in 27 and I’ll just read and learn from what y’all report this year :slight_smile:

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I was debating on which ones to go with, but eventually settled on a red: Yugo sweet, and a yellow: aliosha, both from cricket hill.

Maybe in the future more places will carry more varieties but for now I think cricket hill is the best option

I’d strongly consider many other varieties too but I don’t think I’ll be disappointed with these two

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Very very slowly. They are incredibly slow growers. I believe the density of their wood is heavier than water, so that would make sense, but they still seem to really creep along.

The oldest one I have is a yellow cultivar, and I think it’s on its third year if I’m remembering right off hand and it may have grown about 6 to 8 in in that time frame. It has flowers in the early spring, but no fruit yet. It’s probably only about 2 ft tall.

My Coral blaze died in 2025 so I replaced it this past fall. It got come some kind of leaf disease in 2024 and while it did leaf out this past spring of 2025, it only lasted a few weeks before all the leaves fell off and it died.

I planted three more from Cricket Hill that seem to all be doing well.

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@Eme I think that Elegant is known to be rather dwarf. Cricket Hill indicates that it grows to only 5.5’ tall and wide. People seem to rate the fruit fairly highly as well. It might be worth considering. Like line zone7a mentioned, I have seen online that grafting can be tricky, but people are able to do it. Given that it is a slow growing tree, you could also probably keep them small by pruning each year. You will probably want to make sure to have two varieties for pollination (either through grafting or having two trees).

Yugo sweet and Aliosha are good choices, and I’ll be interested in how they compare. I also got Aliosha from Cricket Hill this year (if all of my trees survive, I’ll have Coral Blaze, Sunrise, Aliosha, Red Star, and Starokyivskyi).

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That’s awesome! Many of those were on my short list. I unfortunately don’t have enough space in my yard to dedicate more than two trees, so definitely let everyone know how the tastes compare!

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