Sweetest Cornus Mas Cornelian Cherry?

Interesting:

Jerzy Piórecki in the Arboretum in Bolestraszyce near Przemyśl at the turn of the 1970’s and 1980’s. He collected the most valuable ecotypes found in south-east Poland, e.g. in Bolestraszyce, Prałkowce, Florianka, Wyszatyce. They became output material for obtaining the first Polish cultivars of cornelian cherry such as: ‘Bolestraszycki’, ‘Dublany’, ‘Florianka’, ‘Julisz’, ‘Kotula’, ‘Kresowiak’, ‘Paczoski’, ‘Podolski’, ‘Raciborski’, ‘Słowianin’, ‘Swietłana’, and ‘Szafer’

and from the same source:

Swietłana’ – seedling found in Ukraine. Medium-early cultivar, ripening
in mid-September. Large fruit (3.5 g, 2.4 cm in length), pear-shaped, dark
-cherry colour. Share of stone 14%. General-use cultivar, content of sugars
14%, acids 2.5%. Broad shrub, fast falling fruit.

The only data I have found is that the fruit is vividly red. Swietłana does not appear in any table. I will dig into the sources.

Per OGW: “An early ripening selection from the Kyiv Botanic Garden in Ukraine, Svitlana™ features good crops of large, very sweet and flavorful fruit. Disease-resistant and easy to grow, it is prized for its prolific display of yellow flowers in February, which are followed by abundant, dark red fruit in early fall. Formerly known by the cultivar name U-26.”

So it would seem there may be two Swietłana / Svitlana’s? Or is it that the seedling was found in Ukraine, and then raised and bred in Poland?

Many websites agree it comes from a polish arboretum: Cornouiller Swietlana - La Pépinière Du Fruitier
https://www.tutifruti.at/kornelkirsche-cornus-mas-svietlana-topf
Kornoelje - Swietłana

But the polish ones say it is Ukrainian in origin (as do the English):
https://onegreenworld.com/?s=svitlana

Disregard, I found my answer:

Variety grown in Bolestraszyce Arboretum. It was obtained by sowing seeds from a bush growing in Ukraine
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietlana.html

Hurray!

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@zone7a I think that there is still a possibility that U-26 is different from the variety grown in the Bolestraszyce Arboretum. That being said, if you do get U-26 I will be interested to hear about how it is for you. So far, I have planted Sunrise, Aliosha, and Coral Blaze but it will be a few years before I have any notes (assuming the trees establish well).

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I found a great site here: Szkółka Cornus



It has a lot of the varieties and their description.

I am in contact with Jill (owner of now defunct? winter cove farm) which seems to be the source of U-26, which makes sense to be the same Svitlana: Cornus mas 'Swietłana'

(In case anyone else wants to peruse this website, there is no search. But I did some work for you :slight_smile: )
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_szafer.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_alex.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kasanlaker.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_matador.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_bylda.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietlana.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_raciborski.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_devin.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_korallowyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_wladimirskij.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_swietljaczok.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_bolestraszycki.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_flava.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_elegantnyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kotula.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_dublany.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_paczoski.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_ekzoticznyj.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_alosza.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_nikolka.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_shan.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_titus.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_radost.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_pancharevo.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_elena.html
https://debiany.pl/drzewa/deren/deren_jadalny_kostia.html

As I understand it, the ones that are readily available in the US are:

  1. Coral Blaze = Koralovyi Marka
  2. Exotica = Ekzotychnyi
  3. Red Dawn = Syretskyi / Radost
  4. Red Star = Vydubetskyi
  5. Sun Rise = Marina
  6. Svitlana = U-26/Svitlana
  7. Yellow = Yantarnyi
  8. Elegant = Elehantnyi
  9. Pioneer = Lukianovskyi
  10. Aurea = Aurea
  11. Red Stone = Red Stone
  12. Big Fruit = Big Fruit
  13. Yugo Sweet = Yugo Sweet
  14. Butylochnyi (from John’s website)
  15. Devin (from John’s website)
  16. Shumen (from John’s website)
  17. Vavilovets (from John’s website)
  18. Alyosha = Alosza
  19. Helen = Olena

But, John also recorded above several others including szafer, Jolico, Kostia, flava, and fruitful, so there’s hope they’d be available eventually too

To answer the original purpose of the thread, I think Coral Blaze is the variety which:

  1. Per https://cornus.pl/files/dynamicContent/sites/t10sxq/images/pl/webpage_15/m5pvxzbr/element_646/rwdMode_1/1073x747/Tabela_odmian.webp has the highest sugar/acid ratio
  2. Is available in the USA
  3. Is prolific (36kg in 10y is the highest on that table)
  4. Is large

And therefore may be considered the sweetest / one of the sweetest (@wildforager has other results from his collection not part of an “official” study which may be sweeter by the sugar/acid definition, and there are varieties which are definitely sweeter in sugar/gram or sugar/dry mass definition too)

Taste (and “dessert quality”) is subjective- as I see in their very own table, Bukowinski is not rated dessert quality while Jantarnyj, despite Bukowinski having more sugar and less acid and being bigger and both being Yellow varieties… So maybe I shouldn’t trust these numbers and I should just plant them all…

For now, I am likely to plant a Svitlana to represent dark red (September fruiting, supposedly even ripener and tasty), a coral blaze for red (September, supposedly tasty), and a [alyosha if I can get it and yellow if not] for yellow (August and early//Sept and productive).

And if Cornelian cherries can be grafted, then I will be very happy to graft and make a full report!

PS: Unfortunately the 20 or so varieties available in the US represent less than half what is available in Europe: Szkółka Cornus

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An interesting puzzle about sunrise. Whitman farms has a picture of pear shaped fruit where OGW has a cherry shape. The only European orange one looks very much like the cherry
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Ogw:
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Whitman:
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But I have found no reference to marina or a reference that the one shown is the same as sunrise. Can anyone help track down the name/parenthood of sunrise?

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no offense to Lucile or Whitman farms in general. I love their store and offerings, but I find the images on their website to be unreliable.

Their image of ‘Big Fruit’ might lead you to believe it is a yellow fruited cultivar with red blush, but it is in fact all red when mature

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@zone7a I have looked into this because I have Sunrise from Whitman. In the thread above wildforager mentioned that he got his Sunrise from Whitman as well and that it looks like the OGW picture. There is a Facebook group for Cornelian Cherry and I found that in that group it seems that a cornelian cherry expert confirmed that Sunrise looks like Koralovyi (aka Marina) while Coral Blaze looks like Koralovyi Marka.

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As I suspected from the pictures because there’s only 1 known variety of orange cherries I’ve seen. but what’s odd is why does it have the name “marina”? Is it because coral would be too confusing with coral blaze? I’ve only seen marina a few places… Either way thank you for confirming!

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Well, as the OP, this certainly makes me glad one of the two cultivars I started with is Coral Blaze (alongside Yellow). This will be their second leaf this spring. Also just planted Ugolk, Aliosha, and Yugo Sweet two weeks ago. In contact with another nursery to get Flava, then calling it quits on new cultivars at least until I get decent fruit set.

The trees are still quite small, but the flowers come earlier than Forsythia here in MD and when they get bigger I hope they will be quite showy in my front yard at the very least.

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I’m growing it. Its a mid season variety and seems average to me. My tree is still small though. I’ll probably test the brix on it this year.

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