You discard, in one year, more than most of us plant in a lifetime.
PLEASE NOTE: I think that giving up on the ROXBURY RUSSETT is a mistake.
That one and Ashmeads Kernel are the 2 varieties that I would spare no effort to make work. I’d build a hermetically sealed 2 tree greenhouse for these two.
Mike, I have several left that are similar tasting to RR. Clochard and Pitmaston Pineapple in particular are two, Clochard is extremely close and PP is smaller but more intense (I need to measure the sugars of that one, they must be ultra high). So, I don’t really feel like I am losing it. Also its more its spot that is going away, it doesn’t fruit anymore due to shade from a huge oak so no reason to keep any fruit tree where it is. Bramley is in a similar category. Also Dana Hovey pear got fireblight, otherwise I would be keeping it. I may also need to remove King David, it got fireblight all over on many buds. But I’m going to see if it comes back OK next spring.
Oh, I am removing many blackberries and some grapes not listed above. So many things to chop out, so little time
I’m ordering from Bay Laurel Nursery on Z-dwarf: ‘Bing’ and ‘Rainier’. I wanted a Rainier because I lost mine during transplanting and then I found this supposed “miniature” rootstock being offered by BL which seemed like the next big deal, at least to me. According to their description it’s going to work well with my soil & my climate. What is the deal though with Z-dwarf? Comments anyone? After ordering the trees I tried to find it being sold as a rootstock and I couldn’t find it.
Also have an ‘Ashmead’s Kernel’ and thanks to Scott’s apple report a ‘Rubinette’ apple coming from Orange Pippin. The five reviews I read on The Garden Watchdog gave them high praise. I have those coming on M11. I cut ‘Cox’s Orange Pippen’ and replaced it with ‘Rubinette’.
Z-Dwarf stands for Zaiger Dwarf, previously known as Newroot-1. Prior to that, it was known only by a testing number. I have Craig’s Crimson on this stock. The tree is 3 or 4 years old but no fruit yet. Smallish tree. See this video:
It’s useful to know what someome is willing to discard because they have better. I’m surprised to see Flavor Supreme in the list. I’ve got a similar climate here on Long Island and my four year old FS had 25 fruit this year pollinated with Dapple Dandy. Getting clean fruit was another story but it is a great tasting pluot. Of course a few years with no fruit and mine will also be removed.
If I had a full tree I might have had a dozen on it, its only 1/3 of a tree now. On average I get 4-6 per year so that would be 15 or so on a full tree (which is itself pruned small, there are trees 3’ on either side). It also sounds like you have a better climate for some reason. This last spring I hand pollinated and it didn’t help at all.
One reason why I think I can live with the loss is Spring Satin is similar enough that I will be able to put up with losing it. SS is not fully up to FS but it has a similar flavor. And, it sets like crazy every year
I may have been lucky with FS pollination this year. When in full bloom I checked and didn’t see any bees. I was concerned and checked the next day. I counted 5 different species working the flowers. I may not be so lucky next year. Thanks Scott for the info on Spring Saturn as an alternative.
So is this an inter-stem rootstock and I wouldn’t know what is beneath it unless I asked Bay Laurel or is Citation the norm?
Not what I was expecting if all Z-dwarfs are a bridge-grafting-technique. Not that I’m disappointed…
No! The interstem he mentions is the Zee-Stem between Citation rootstock and the cherry scion.
Later in the video he talks about the Zaiger Dwarf rootstock (aka Z-Dwarf aka Newroot-1 aka 3CR178). This is a stand-alone rootstock (no interstem required) which renders trees two thirds smaller than standard-size trees.
Zee-Stem and Z-Dwarf are two completely different things.
I have ordered the following new trees, PEAR: Abate Fetel, Korean Giant, Anjou Red, Conference; PEACH: Indian Free, Carman; PLUM: Reine Claude de Oullins, 3 more Caroline Raspberries. And a lot of scion wood from my friends.
I’ve got a harko nectarine, 3 N 1 pluot(dwn flavor series) ordered and now that I read this thread I may just have to see if they can add an arctic Jay to the box.
Have you looked at Arboreum lately? They’ve updated their website with all sorts of goodies, including a wide array of new Euro plum offerings, replete with gorgeous cross-section photographs:
Like making a cake I do it one layer at a time so I ordered 100 callery, 100 BET, 100 333 pear rootstocks. Scions will be ordered and I will bench and field graft as many different fireblight resistant varities as possible. I’m looking for a good commercial variety of pear or pears for this area.
I have often wondered why large plantings of pears in my area are almost none existent. To me the pear would be ideal for this purpose as long as you use the disease resistant varieties as your doing with an emphasis on fireblight. Bill
Bill,
There are many other pear problems that occur in large plantings growers need to worry about. There was a guy who grew 100’s or maybe thousands of varities about 5-10 yes ago. I don’t recall where he was but Scott or Alan might remember. He was legendary in the pear scion industry. . He must have passed on because he was in his 80s years ago. That was the only large planting I ever heard of.