I thought my pawpaw grafts failed, but it turns out they’re just really really slow!
This means my project to preserve the Granny Skaggs variety is back on track!
(What counts as a bud on pawpaw? They have all these weird indentations in the wood, and I’m not sure if those are live or not.)
Those weird indentations on the stem are nodes.
That is where the buds are.
Even if you cannot see a bud there, there are latent buds there, and they can be forced into growth
Maybe pinch back the growing shoots on the other branches to direct more growth into your graft
When I first started grafting pawpaw I had a difficult time finding “good” buds. I’ve seen latent buds pop out from under a flower bud too. This is a relief because some of the scions had a flower bud at every node.
How big were the Dr. Kazas? I love drying persimmons. The bigger persimmons make a lot less work since I peel them first. Although, I’ve never dried a pure American cultivar.
I tried obtaining some of the 100 series from Cliff, but I was only able to get Lehman’s Delight. 100-42 sounds like another good one. Have you tried A-118 and H-118? I have a few new grafts of each.
I gave up too early on my pawpaw grafts this year. Got impatient. Not blessed with patience, I need to work on this.
Dr. Kazas prior known simply as “OP Nikita’s Gift”
It’s the same size as the 100-series.
I haven’t tried either A-118 or H-118. I do have H-118 grafted from last year and saw another in my raised bed this morning breaking bud. Fortunately H-118/‘Early Jewel’ is grafted on multiple trees with pretty large caliper so it will be soon to tasting time.
Here’s a link to the thread of visiting Lehman along with my notes and more photos. You don’t need to read very far in to get the information you would be seeking:
My post above I stated ‘100-46’ was my favorite. I didn’t clarify that it was my favorite of the 100’s series. ‘H-63A’ was my favorite of the day. Jerry made sure we understood that maybe that year H-63A was the favorite but maybe the next year another will be the favorite. But H-63A that day was outstanding. The color of the fruit is red and orange which is another draw to it.
‘Dr. Kazas’ is the first persimmon we ate that day. So a belly full later of a dozen cultivars plus pawpaws had the senses all across the chart so to speak. But we ate H-63A after Dr. Kazas and all the 100-series and wow it was the clear winner to (3) of we attending.
Dax
I remember that Paul had made an intervention on this subject. I will not invent anything more.
To my knoledge, the hybrids that melt the biggest fruit are the gora roman kosh, gora roger, gora goverla. But they are less resistant to cold than other hybrids (-24°C or -11,2°F)
As for taste, it’s very good question.
Fan no one age able to answer. The names of these Ukrainian hybrids were only revealed in 2011. The nurseries that have multiplied them often have not had fruit yet.
It’s a good to know their names and have them.
I hope to have some fruits of gora roman kosh in 2019. Announced for 250 g. Not see flower this year.
But varieties like sosnovskaja or CUCUPAKA are declared as more pruner and above all much more resistant to the cold. Tested resistant to -30°C or -22°F .
We can find contradictory information.
Some say that they are F3 and other F4.
Some also say they would je non-astreingent. But vert good taste.
But I don’t know.
My little collection is young. Patience.
Has anyone harvested ‘Dollywood’/(D-128)? It’s said to be a large American-species variety. We have it grafted too here on larger caliper trees.
I also have Claypool’s I-115 grafted and know nothing about it.
Dax
Here are a few American persimmons that I like best are Prok, H-118, H-120, 100-42 and Early Golden. I also really like a few hybrids like Nikita’s Gift but not real hardy for Z5 lots of top half died back when the temp below -10F without Winter protection, Rossyanka has a very good unique taste and very cold hardy to Z5 and that was a plus. I got few few JT-02 and Kasandra but thery are only in there 3 years and no fruit yet. They got 1/3 top died back this year with the -19F without Winter producton so they are doable in Z5.
Tony
Tony, do you prefer the flavor of Asian or American persimmons. I much prefer the larger size of the Asian persimmons. Also, how large was the fruit of H-118 if you had to guess?
I have not, but I do have it grafted on that giant tree I previously posted pics of. When I top-worked that same tree to Rosseyanka last year it was covered in flowers this year. It was painful to top-work it over to the new cultivars. Luckily, my dedicated Rosseyanka is covered in fruitlets currently. Hopefully, I will be able to tell you next year.
If anybody is interested, gora (гора) means mountain. The names of these hybrid persimmon varieties are given after these mountains: Roman-Kosh (Роман-Кош, the highest peak of Crimean Mountains), Mount Rogers (the highest point in Virginia, honoring the “virginiana” parentage of the hybrid), and Hoverla (Говерла, the highest mountain in Ukraine, located in Carpathian Mountains).
It’s exact. Some people even think that there is 4 gora because the same one uses hoverla or goverla for the translation
I think these foreign hybrids are promising, as I believe I read here on the forum that the fruit size is larger. They look promising for commercial fruit growers in northern climates. Would love to see these varieties in the U.S.
I agree. We do have Cliff, he is hard at work. Keep an eye on his site http://www.nuttrees.net
Much more work seems to be done across the pond, but that’s just a guess.
I liked both Kaki and D.V. I liked to eat the Fuyu and Rojo Brillante from the Asian market in the fall when the fruits just about to turn soft. They are real sweet at this stage. H-118 is large around 2.25 inches just like a small fuyu. I loved Prok due to real large oval shape and more fragrance than Kaki and self fruitful. It is a must have D V.
Tony
I check out cliff’s persimmon offerings often. I just don’t have the space for it all… he does some good work.
My last year’s Prok graft (got wood from you) has lots of fruit forming, not sure how many or any will stay. All my last years Tam Kam dropped. This year, I graft many american and hybrid ones and most of them took. The future looks good.
Dr Kazas looks to me like pure virginiana. Hybrids look different. By the way aren’t we getting slightly off topic ?
