6 Russian Jujubes Differences?


#1

Can anyone tell me the differences in the numbered russian types? Are they all similar, “small sweet early”? Or are are there significant differences? One larger? One more tart flavor?
Russian 1-6 Jujubes:

  1. Kitaiski 2,
  2. Kitaiski 60,
  3. Oo Sene Hun,
  4. 29-16 TOC,
  5. Sovietski, and
  6. Ta Yan Tsao

#2

@KYnuttrees Cliff England may have the answers.


#3

Calling jujube enthusiasts- @jujubemulberry, @BobVance, @k8tpayaso


#4

I’ve only heard of Russian #2. No experience here…


#5

I believe the last one is Chinese. I have no idea about the translation that nursery did.


#6

Hi @PaulinKansas6b, hope to hear from your experience with russian jujus in kansas! Unfortunately we only got to try 2 out of the 6 you posted, and could only recall russian#2(supposedly the same as kitaiski60) . Also couldn’t recall the other russian cultivar that we grew(possibly 29-16 toc or sovietski), but the fruits were so coarse we didn’t even bother documenting it.

i agree. It was either a chinese cultivar that the soviets liked and didn’t change the name. Or that it was actually bred by the russians which the chinese liked and re-named. Jujus can be bred readily from seed, and highly unlikely to have the same exact genetics as either of its parents

incidentally, “Ta” is large in mandarin, and “Tsao” is common name for jujube(of any variety) in chinese.

btw, russian #2 bears similar fruits to sugar cane in las vegas’ conditions. It likely bears better quality fruits in areas with summers cooler than 105F.

we have a photo of russian#2 here

and photos of other soviet bloc jujus(trademarked by onegreenworld nursery) on this link

the trademarked jujus i obtained from burntridgenursery and one green world(which involved lots of confusion and uncertainty, even up to this day), some of them had to order twice just to check for differences, since labeling errors occur all the time.

while the kitaiski and my other unrecalled russian juju was from R. Meyer.

btw, @castanea should be included in the ‘subpoena’ :wink: . Not sure if castanea has grown any in that list, but likely may have come across some of them-- being based in california. Actually think castanea has tried as many, if not more, cultivars as i have.


#7

Yup. @castanea. Sorry, missed mentioning him.


#8

When Roger was first selling these I told him I wanted to try one of them but knew nothing about them. He sent me the one he considered to be the best under his growing conditions. He was not impressed by the others but still thought they might do OK in colder areas. I don’t know which one he sent me but I assumed it was #2. I did not care for it and gave it away years ago. It was not very sweet and had an odd texture.


#9

New Mexico State describes Russia #2 as:

“Small, dark-colored fruit, pointed at far end. Juicy and crispy, excellent fresh eating quality. Early fruiting and productive. Great for home gardeners.”

https://aces.nmsu.edu/jujube/eating.html

I got a Russia #2 tree from Chinese Red Date nursery and some Russian #4 wood from Cliff England this spring, so maybe in a few years I’ll have more info. I also have Massandra, Black Sea, and Coco, but I’ve only gotten 1 fruit so far (a Massandra which was very good).


#10

Thank yall for all the info! Very interesting! So it seems these russians havent been trialed very extensively yet!


#11

definitely not, but as castanea mentioned, might do better in colder regions.

them soviets thrive and revel in their russian winters(ask napoleon and hitler), and evidently enjoy mild summers. Am sure their jujus are just about the same :wink:

i looked it up and Sochi supposedly is the ‘hottest’ city in Russia, where their record high in summer was a puny 102.9F

that is spring temperature here in vegas, haha


#12

Kitaiski 2 = Китайский 2А very good variety with medium sized fruit, juicy sweet/tart, my favourite of the list.
Kitaiski 60 - average quality fruit, I do not personally grow it
Sovietski = Советский a true variety bred in Crimea good quality round shape fruit, but prone to cracking
Ta Yan Tsao = Lang


#13

that is intriguing. Didn’t know lang’s official name in chinese.
there is this ‘ta yuan tsao’ (not ta yan tsao) have come across but is supposedly round and not pear shaped


#14

Correctly it should be Та-ян-цзяо This name is used in Russia, Ukraine. They don’t know it as Lang.