American Persimmon Family Tree

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@jallen
Here’s a clean image of that historic email posted by Dan.

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Here’s the pages posted by Buzz:

Gerardi, McDaniel 1956 - NNGA 47th Annual Report.pdf (502.3 KB)

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Improved Geneva Red is Geneva Red x E.G.

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Do you have any info about the pedigree of other DEC selections ?

No, I don’t think so

Thank you! Do you know of a publication in NAFEX, Nutshell, etc. that states this?

Saw it on Don’s Facebook page.

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You were lucky :sweat_smile: He delated most of his persimmon posts. I could only recall that he mentioned that row M from Claypool crosses is made of MB x Killen and one of his crosses is Miller x George but I’m not sure which one…

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I’ve added the ancestry of DEC Improved Geneva Red.

Here’s a tentative list of EG-free cultivars:

Can you recall where you got this information?

On Facebook Taylor Malone said:
“DEC Goliath has ‘Miller’ as the female parent. It is a Donald Compton cross and selection. I believe it is pure virginiana. I dont know a whole lot more about it than that.”

Most people who have ‘Goliath’ got it from either Cliff England or Darren Bender-Beauregard and neither of them know its ancestry.

When asked specifically about ‘Goliath’ Don Compton’s generic response was, “all of my breeding records were lost”.

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Not sure if its a hybrid or not. The fruit is not any bigger than most American cultivars.

Does DEC Goliath fruit hold on the tree for you like hyrbids do, instead of dropping? I recall Timothy Lane mentioning that is his England’s orchard tour youtube video from last fall. He mentioned this as a reason some/Cliff suspect it may be a hybrid.

That picture was taken at Cliffs, I don’t have it growing myself. I don’t remember if the fruit held on like a hybrid or not. It seemed like a small tree to make so much fruit. I want to say I got some odd shaped seeds from it. Cliff has it growing next to other hybrids.

If it is a hybrid I would guess that it has a lot of virginiana since the fruit is not very big.

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Did DEC have a hybrid in his breeding program?

He definitely did do some hybrid work. For example there are several DEC Nikita’s Gift x Thor crosses, and also DEC Improved Rossyanka.

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Do we know if these names are synonyms for pretend any of these below (i was looking at the Excel file for the family tree project and dont think i saw the synonyms listed):

HERSHEY DT MIDDLE
HERSHEY FRUIT DUMP (JOSEPHINE)
HERSHEY LAMBERT(FORMERLY THOUGHT TO BE SHOTO)
HERSHEY MACKENZIE CORNER
HERSHEY MACKENZIE MIDDLE
Hershey Woodbine Sucker

I have a Buzz’s Favorite grafted and heard about Dale’s Favorite from a news article was curious.

Hershey DT Middle = Downingtown Middle = Downingtown Center.

Mackenzie Corner = Early Golden

That is correct that Fruit Dump = Josephine
And Shoto = Lambert

There also exist Buhrman and Kitch among his plantings.

I don’t know who Buzzy’s Favorite is as another cultivar name.

Dale’s Favorite, Mackenzie Middle, and Woodbine Sucker are all non-grafted, seedling trees. Dale’s Favorite and Woodbine Sucker are feral volunteers, but Mackenzie Middle may have been part of a planting.

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I got an info from Buzz nearly 2 years ago about Buzzy’s and Dale’s Favorite. Both were described as grafted trees.

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Buzzy’s favorite is certainly grafted but Dale’s Favorite is certainly not – it is from a small volunteer seedling hanging over the road. I dont think it existd anymore.

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Buzz Favorite is a unknown grafted tree in Hersheys backyard collection. Its just below Fruit Dump (which Zach Elefers now thoughtcto be Josephine). Its a smaller fruit then many there, slightly better flavor from my perspective.
Dales Favorite is a very small fruited seedling tree in an old nursery row in another persons yard , hands over there mailbox. I was not impressed with this one, but Dale thought the fruit was amazing flavor.

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