When i first found SFES, growing in a fenceline alongside KY-91, I had hopes that it might be a polygamodioecious fruiting male, but so far as we can tell, its just a female.
Produces ~80% small, 1" seedless fruits and 20% larger, 1.5" fruits, usually containing a single plump seed. Good flavor, as previously stated, and nice red fruit color.
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Thank you for the corrections!
Here are the updates I’ve made.
The column header “BREEDER” has been changed to “ORIGINATION” to be more inclusive.
@Lech
Ami ~ Bloomington IN
Prok and Korp ~ Pipher
Runkwiztn ~ Runkwizt
J-127 ~ Runkwizt x Early Golden (clayp.xls)
@carya
Hershey Fruit Dump ~ Josephine
Hershey Blue ~ Buhrman
SFES ~ Sinking Fork Elementary School
Hershey Shoto ~ Lambert
Improved Geneva Red ~ D. Compton
DEC Goliath ~ removed
Bald Eagle ~ from Bald Eagle State Forest
Kassandra is a hybrid.
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Here’s most of the data in a single figure.
Date of figure is in the bottom left corner.
Corrections are welcome.
[EDIT: After building up quite a bit of data, I have thinned it down. What remains are only cultivars in circulation, with the exception of a few included in their ancestries.]
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One correction:
H-118 aka Prairie Star = Juhl x George
and one addition:
100-45 = B 59 x G-62 it is similar to its sister 100-46 only later ripening.
I also grow Claypool’s I-93A which isn’t very common … Lena x Early Golden cross.
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Thanks a lot for composing this Figure, Richard.
I have a question regarding H-120 and C-120. Up until now I was under the impression that H-120 was later named ‘Claypool’. Is this somehow a mix up?
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@Nicholas
The correspondence between cultivar names “Claypool” and “C-120” came from here, but I’m open to further discussion:
@Richard
I see “Early Jewel” is listed under the cultivars with unknown ancestry, but isn’t that just another name for H-118 (aka Prairie Star)?
That appears to be how some nurseries are listing it at least.
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Yes. H-118 has been renamed both Early Jewel and Prairie Star.
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Thanks for checking the details!
This is a great suggestion
Here are the unknowns in list format. Which of these are:
- bred and named by someone but of unknown ancestry
- cloned from a wild or feral specimen
- cloned from a plant under cultivation but of unknown name; e.g. from somebody’s home orchard
Someone mentioned that Burhman (= Wafer Seed = Hershey Blue) was a wild find John Hershey had listed in his catalogue (maybe @carya or @Lech).
AFAIK “Deer Candy” & “Deer Magnet” are marketing gimmicks whereby nurseries are renaming other varieties to make them appealing to hunters, either early “candy” or late “magnet” varieties.
EDIT: nvm I see “Deer Magnet is actually 100-29. Must be an EG descendent somehow then 
Briggs is the “giving tree”, the story of which is told on Bluestone Tree’s website (on mobile atm, or I’d provide the link). I haven’t heard anyone say they’ve seen a graft line on it, appears to be an old & massive chance wild seedling.
SFES is a confirmed tetraploid our own @Lucky_P discovered, so highly unlikely it’s related to any named varieties (95+% of which are hexaploids).
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Every Claypool variety from 92A to 111A is Lena x Early Golden. Dates are close. I’m true that something similar is true across other crosses.
Do we know whether the trees are (1) siblings or (2) clones? #1 would be true if Claypool sprouted different seedlings from a single cross then either (a) grew them on their own roots, or (b) grafted them onto seedling rootstock. #2 would be true if Claypool sprouted a single seedling then grafted scions from the same seedlings onto different seedling rootstocks.
@Robert @DijonG
Thank you. I have split out the wild or feral origin cultivars into a separate table in the figure. I’ve also added it as a list to the data sources post farther up.
Cliff England has the following in his description:
Claypool = H-120-Named After James Claypool Very productive tree of medium height, Quality of fruit is far exceeding all average trees and produces excellent tasting fruit clear juicy pulp with no black specking on the pulp.
I’ve also tried searching this forum here and other threads like this one (Need some help choosing American Persimmons)
Edit: I realized that the thread doesn't actually contain a name - sorry my bad! https://growingfruit.org/t/persimmon-names-and-alternative-names/56920 generally also mention H-120 as being Claypool. Now I do realize that this could simply be a re-iteration from Cliff’s description which is why I wanted to ask.
Looking at the Claypool data itself it appears that C-120 isn’t as highly ranked as H-120 and there appears to be general agreement that H-120 is an excellent variety. I haven’t read much about C-120 so it would be really interesting how it holds up in comparison. It would be strange to name an inferior cultivar after the Breeder to honor his work.
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@Nicholas
Thanks for the follow-up. I’ll take two aspirin and fix it tomorrow 
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Two things:
What kind of hybrid?
Is the curator at Burbank’s estate aware of this?
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The Pomper-England paper lists Keener as a cross, not a hybrid. Among perennials, a cross means pollinating a female cultivar with a a male cultivar; e.g. Valeene Beauty is a cross of Lena and EG. A hybrid though would mean a breeding two different species. L. Burbank was not capable of inter-species cross with persimmon.
In my experience, Peaceful Valley is a source of inconsistent information across their entire product line.
Thank you for the additional information about Mohler.
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I’ve had ‘Keener’ for 25 years. There is nothing about it that suggests any D.kaki influence, in my opinion, regardless of ‘legend’ that it was a hybrid bred by Luther Burbank.
Jerry Lehman had the opportunity to pore through Burbank’s notes and never found anything indicating that he had been successful in crossing D.v. and D.k.
IIRC - and Clifford would be the final word - ‘Sugar Bear’ is a KY-origin 60-C selection; not sure who made the selection.
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@Lucky_P
Thank you for chiming in. I am just a scribe in this task of assembling the knowledge many people here have been acquiring for decades.
A new figure is available, above.
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This diagram is the coolest thing I’ve seen and SO helpful! Thank you Richard!
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