Basic Tips for grafters #4 Why grafts fail

Those are words of wisdom, @mamuang.

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I can be a little bit fussy with linguistics, but I might argue that poor quality budwood is only diseased budwood. If you have even a single cell of viable wood there exists a technique to culture it. It just takes exactly the right process and possibly hormonal, chemical and mechanical assistance in a laboratory environment :grinning:

Poor budwood, to me, is budwood with only living cambium but no living bud tissue, which can be saved sometimes but why bother. Otherwise, it’s a matter of cutting to good wood, even if that ends up requiring chip budding.

I think sometimes it’s better to simplify: just need a living bud and a path of living green cambium layer between it and the living green host.

Poor quality is a description of why it’s hard to draw that path.

A better description of bud wood that doesn’t work than “poor quality” is wood that is too immature or too mature. I say this from grafting citrus. Buds should be plump. Wood won’t work if it is not mature enough like the current growth that is not stiff. Wood that has woody streaks is too mature. Best is hardened off current growth flush or the flush before the current one. Anything older than the before flush is too mature and will have woody streaks. As a reminder citrus is a semi tropical evergreen and the bark starts out green. I cut bud wood this week and could find hardened off current flush. I use a similar selection process for persimmon and paw paw. Oh, and I never use more than 3 buds for cleft or bark graft.

The most consistent cause of failure I’ve seen is when scions are put on trees or rootstocks with insufficient vigor. Recently dug rootstocks work better in a greenhouse because it reduces dessication- not just on the scion but on the new tree as a whole. In the nursery where I put whips until they have the stature to survive deer I’m digging trees up near other trees all the time, so roots of remaining trees usually get disturbed. That is where I get a relatively high rate of failures and inadequate vigor of scions that do take.

Spur type trees or trees overbearing are generally more challenging to graft to than ones with vigorous vegetative growth, so a mother tree where new wood is more important than fruit should be managed to sustain highest possible vigor.

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Next time take a picture of the graft before wrapping and after. Usually apple grafts are successful.

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i watched those videos plus more.i will review them again. i didn’t have the grafting tape so i cut the saran into 4’’ by 12’’ strips then folded in half for strength. i was careful not to jostle the graft when tightening. i match the wood precisely to the size of scion. only thing i can see is maybe i did them too late as the buds on the tree were just starting to break , showing a little green. ill try doing it a little earlier next time.

i wil.

Yes, I think you should try grafting with fully dormant scionwood.

If you want, I have plenty of Honey Crisp apple to send you. You are in zone 3/4. Some say HC is cold hardy to zone 3, some say to zone 4. Let me know if you want dormant scion.

I don’t know what apples are cold hardy to zone 3.

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Hello,
can u send some scion wood of Honeycrisp or other varieties you have.

Thanks in advance
Saravan

I remember something Fruitnut posted several years ago, that he much preferred budding to grafting as it could be done any time during the year that the bark slips and there was no need for dormant scions; just cut a bud and t-bud it onto the rooted variety. That is my recollection anyway.

I know I have successfully t-budded apples that way. I can’t remember whether I was successful with peaches/nectarines. If the bark does not slip, patch budding may be an option.

I did a bunch of apple grafts Friday. I hadn’t grafted in a while, and I realized today that all of my scion wood is a lot larger than what I’ve used in the past. I think I’ve generally grafted scions with about 3-4 buds in the past, and these are much longer.

Some are dormant wood I’ve kept in the fridge, and some are from a nearby tree that had started to sprout. :frowning: (There’s a very attractive wild crab apple with deep red flowers in my neighbor’s yard. She’s given me permission to take some wood from it to graft, but I forgot that I ought to do that in the winter. I took some anyway.) I did pinch off all the leaves.

Anyhow – should I go out today and clip everything short?

I believe my peach grafts tended to fail because the buds rotted while in the fridge because they were too tightly wrapped. This season should establish the validity of that belief, because this time I just put each variety loosely in a zip Lock freezer bag and put groups of these in thin garbage bags with a moist rag. They are being stored in a small, cheap fridge devoid of automatic defrost to help reduce dehydration.

I’ve heard many stories of graft wood being gathered from under trees some time after pruning and stored in ways much more careless than my double wrapping of tight bundles of sticks that I used to do- placing them inside garbage bags.

Sometimes the peach wood would smell rotten coming out of that.

Well, all my scion wood looks and smells like healthy wood. When i whittle the end to a “v” there is nice green cambium. (Or pink cambium, on the red crabapple.) So I’m not worried about that. :smiley:

How much longer? What kind of graft? I usually cut scions to 2 or 3 buds but a lot of folks post here about 5 to 6 bud scions and even longer. Hope they weigh in. I feel comfortable with a longer scion on a bark graft as it has so much cambium contact but type of graft may not matter to other people, not sure.

That is a super cute dog!

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They are maybe 6-8 inches. I didn’t actually count the buds. (Which are now under Parafilm.)

Cleft graft? I cut the bottom of the scion into a “V”, split the stock, shoved the “V” until the stock, tied it up with rubber bands, and covered the whole shebang with Parafilm.

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Here’s a conversation thread on Long Scions where you’ll see names of people who use a lot of long scions:

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Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for.

I think the damage I did to the trunk now bothers me more than the length of the scion, but I expect it will heal if I can keep the critters off of it. And I got a really good join between the stock and the scion.

Regarding temperature to callous the graft of plums, will a new bench graft callous if its placed outside and the temperature is above 60 during part of the day, but in the 40’s - 50’s ( and possibly thirties ) at night? ( grafts are in pots )

Well, they took a while to sprout, but all my grafts this year seem to have taken. I nipped off the sprouting buds on the stock today, in the hopes of sending more nutrition towards the scions.

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