ARS also carries King of the Pippins, that might be the one you are looking for. It is synonymous with RdR, but I am unsure if they are 100% one in the same.
Perhaps I should have added this to the original post, but I’m not sure if it clarifies or muddies things because, while most authors that I have seen use King of the Pippins as a synonym for Reine des Reinettes as @Tunamelt notes, that is not universal. Anyhow, if one looks at the marker data that GRIN reports for "Reine des Reinettes x * " PI 279325 and PI 279326 and for King of the Pippins, PI 589676, you will note that the markers are identical for King of the Pippins and PI 279326 (Reine des Reinettes x 1700). In particular, the marker data reported for all three is:
Marker
Accession GD12A GD15A GD96A GD100A GD103A GD142A GD147A GD162A
PI 279326 155 155 146 146 183 185 228 229 84 110 139 145 139 141 219 230
PI 589676 155 155 146 146 183 185 228 229 84 110 139 145 139 141 219 230
PI 279325 153 159 146 146 157 187 230 242 110 126 147 151 143 151 219 219
So it may be that what ARS distributes as King of the Pippins is in fact PI 279326 (Reine des Reinettes x 1700). The photo of King of the Pippins may look more like that of PI 279325 than PI 279326, however. Perhaps Long Ashton, the source for King of the Pippins, has Reine des Reinettes x 1700 and incorrectly believes it is the true Reine des Reinettes. Or maybe it correctly believes what is labeled Reine des Reinettes x 1700 is the true Reine des Reinettes and identical to King of the Pippins and “Reine des Reinettes x 1700” is not a cross. Or maybe it is and they may be different and the markers do not adequately pick it up. Or other possibilities.
I was assuming that what circulates as Reine des Reinettes ultimately traces back to ARS but am not sure how much stock to put in the name identifiers (see above). I’m still curious whether or not something in ARS is recognizable as the esteemed “Reine des Reinettes”. Maybe my assumption is wrong though, and a better question would have been, do you recall the source of what you reviewed as Reine des Reinettes?
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The British firmly believe RdR and KoP are the same, see the National Fruit Collection listing. I usually treat them as synonyms for that reason, until there is firm information to the contrary emerging.
Re: the genetic info above, I don’t at all understand what the “x 1700” vs “x 82” means now, but the 1700 one appears to be the real thing based on the genetic analysis. The fact that germplasm from France has a 100% match with the KoP sourced from the UK is another sign the two names are synonyms.
My RdR came as KoP from Southmeadow 20 or so years ago, it is probably identical to the KoP (and the x 1700) at Geneva.
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I have both grafted on G41. I will let you know in a couple of years.
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What we may encounter in RdR and King of Pippins may simply be bud sports - same DNA yet slightly different expressions.
I was intrigued to read the data from the DNA analysis of the RHS collection at Brogdale, done 8-10 years ago. For instance, Queen Cox is a bud sport of Cox Orange Pippin. It is less vulnerable to disease, ripens a bit earlier and yet DNA analysis could not separate the two. Both are in that collection.
A few other original and sports showed up on the list and when I compared the results were the same. Looks as though there is room yet to perfect DNA analysis or some other minutiae to make ID easier to clinch.
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After some further investigation, based on the marker data, ‘Reine des Reinettes x 82’ appears to be the same as the ‘Margil’ accession PI 2264558
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Thats interesting. Margil is purported to be the same as Reinette Musquee in France and it has been in France a long time. I think I saw that match before in the following paper: Ashspublications.org but somehow this paper did not make the KoP - RdR x 1700 match. Where are you getting the full marker data from?
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Thanks for identifying that paper.
It is curious why it does not report PI 589676 and PI 279326 as “duplicates.” I do not have a good explanation.
The marker data in my earlier post came from what GRIN has on its website, e.g.,for King of the Pippins, PI 589676 it is at the bottom of the page in the horizontally-scrolling frame under the heading “Molecular Data.” If you follow the link for “Detailed Accession Observation Page” a bit higher up, that page also has the marker data (again under the heading “Molecular Data”) but it is presented in a more usable way, or you can export to CSV. It would be nice to know if there were other genetic data that called into question the apparent match in this GRIN data–the photos and other observations for the two do vary.
I’m not aware of GRIN having a public interface that allows one to query the marker data, though. So, if one wants to ask if there is a “duplicate” for the apple ‘Foo,’ as far as I know, a bit more effort is required (in lieu of what is in the paper). Fortunately, a simple query via Google that includes the marker values from ‘Foo’ will hit on accessions with them (in just a free text sense) and false positives are easy to eyeball and eliminate. For example, this query with the raw marker values for ‘Reine des Reinettes x 82’ from the earlier post identifies ‘Margil’ and only one spurious hit.
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Hi Ya’ll I’ve been lerking the shadows for a bit and have looked at lots of conversations on here. I became obsessed with apple trees and grafting about 2 years ago. Luckily I have family land & they have let me install an orchard that in the end will be around 100 trees, it’ll be mostly apple with a single line of pears for fun.
I don’t have any particular rhyme or reason for what varieties i’ve decided to use other than I’m having a ton of fun. They are all extremely young non fruiting trees at this point. I can say that so far my personal favorite apple is a Cortland however i’ve yet to try 99% of the apple varieties I’m growing, so its going to be such a new experience once these start to fruit.
My current growing list so far include (* means I have tasted this variety)
20 0z
Adam’s Pearmain
Arkansas Black
Ashmeads Kernel
Black Oxford
Blacktwig
Brushy Mtn. Limbertwig
Centennial Crab
Chestnut Crab
Cripps Pink (Pink Lady)
Dolgo Crab
Empire
Enterprise
Florina
Freedom
Frostbite
Fuji Red Sport 2
Geneva Crab
Goldrush
Grannysmith*
Holiday
Honeycrisp*
Jonagold
Kentucky Limbertwig
Kerr Crab
King David
Liberty
Myers Royal Limbertwig
Novaspy
Pink Pearl
Pinova (Pinata, Sonata, Corail)
Pristine
Roxbury Russet
Spitzenberg
Viola Crab
Wickson Crab
Williams Pride
Winesap
Winter Banana
Wolf River
Yellow Transparent
Zestar!
Flemish Beauty (Pear)
Magness (Pear)
Potomatic (Pear)
I will be grafting this year:
Egremont Russet
orleans reinette
Kidd’s orange red
Black Gilliflower
Pitmastin Pineapple
Transcendent Crab
northwest Greening
Shafer Crab
Keepsake
Hawkeye
Haralson
Imperial Stayman (late)
Lord Lamborne
Pumpkin Sweet
Priscilla
Weidners Goldreinette
Trailman Crab
Fletcher Sweet
Red St. Lawrence
Washington Sweet
Hayford
Dayton 590183
Blue Pearmain 590180
Slor 613832
Grimes Golden 588791
Basically in a few years i think my favorite will probably change a few times.
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What a wonderful list, you have everything you need.
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Be careful with Egremont. It is delicious, but can be a fireblight magnet.
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Matt, I seen your reference, or perhaps another persons reference to that being an attractant of FB. Hopefully that won’t be the case but if I find it is, off with its head and another reason to create another tree.
Most of the English varieties I did this year are based off of Stephen Hayes and the way he portrays his love of those apples, I can’t get over how each apple fascinates me. I could look at posts like this all day long!
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Hey Dan, welcome to the forum. You might have the perfect avatar name, what could top apples and bacon??
Anyways, that is an impressive list of apples, you must lots of land to be able to grow that many trees. Is that first list of 43 separate trees, and the second list of 25 grafts onto rootstocks, or onto present trees?
I’m interested in your list partly because it looks like I’m growing what looks like 9 of your varieties, out of 13 total that were planted last spring. Plus a Cortland. So I’m interested to see how yours turns out. But, I’m in Kentucky, and you’re in a zone 5 area, so I know it’s probably an “apples and oranges” comparison.
Sorry if I’m sounding nosy, but are you planning on developing a pick your own orchard? At any rate, good luck with your endeavors.
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I have about 5-8 acres on about 120 acre piece of ground. Its open ground, michigan beach sand ground. 
I don’t have a particular reason of why i planted why i did. I have a fascination of red flesh so i did some of them. I had lots of crabs i didnt include in this list. It could possibly a retirement u-pick but the location isnt great for that. Could i sell somw maybe at farm markets, sure but idk.
I love all things apple now since i caught this bug. I’m having such a good time with this. I dont have it planned out to lat it out in any particular way. We get a decent amount of snow & we have a heavy deer population so this will feed wild life as well.
All i am grafting in are a handful of 10 antonovka, 25 ranetkas, the rest are on b118. Disease resistance, cold hardiness, and staggered drop times are certainly part of my plan.
I did research each variety for 1 particular reason or another. I will post some information of the apple history of this piece of property tomorrow.
My last name is Bacon, hence the handle. 
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I bet you could grow some killer beach plums (P. maritima).
I plan on planting Jersey beach plum here, and grafting in Hancock (and Seaberry Yellow, if I can get my hands on it).
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beach plums? There are fruit specific to sand besides apples?
I will probably stick to apples mostly because thats what excites me.
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Our family is from Lapeer, and we’ve got friends who developed an agrotourism farm around apple cider, fresh apple cake donuts and a Christmas / antique store, and it’s a truly magical place. My dream is to do something like they have, but here in NC and with a multi fruit theme, centered around weddings and events.
Just something to ponder if you do try to figure out how to go commercial.
I would like to hear what results you get comparing those two varieties.The King of Pippins I tried were more orange colored not the milk red color like the Reine des Reinettes. Apple location on the tree itself could make that difference. The taste was not the same either. That is why I thought they were perhaps two different varieties. Every year you may get different results, i.e., weather, rain, etc. These were in the same orchard though.
The x700 and the x82 were just grafted spring '16. It might be 2-3 yrs. I have a branch that may bloom this year on Liberty. The other two are on g935, we’ll see.
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My wild guess is the orange one is the x 1700 and KoP in Geneva, and the red one is the x82. looking forward to how they turn out.