I think the term everbearing in regards to cane crops means fruiting on both primocane and floricanes hence the multiple crops a season.
Can you clarify what you mean by hybrids?
I’m getting a ton of mixed information, both floricane and primocane but it doesn’t make sense to me that it wouldn’t be primocane fruiting if it’s a short bush type of raspberry. Most raspberries when they stop growing, it’s because they’re trying to put out flowers. So like, how can it be short but only floricane crop?
Same and it says it has short canes too so if the canes are short then wouldn’t it mean it would fruit then? Cause they only stop growing when they start fruiting.
Maybe Sweetie Pie blackberry. It’s thornless and fruits only on floricanes as well
By hybrids I mean all Blackberry x raspberry crosses like logan, boysen, tay and all other species x raspberry crosses (purple are as far as I know hybrids of R. idaeus and R. occidentalis). For that matter, I don‘t know any other of the ‚wild‘ rubus species or their hybrids with regular raspberries and blackberries that are (at least commercially available) primocane (not saying that mutations might not exist here or there).
By ,wild‘ Rubus I mean all other Rubus species which have no or very little history of breeding including R. occidentalis (‚black raspberry), R. phoeniculasus (wineberry), R. spectabilis (salmonberry), R. leucodermis (another black raspberry), etc.
Yes I know our regular red or yellow garden raspberry is itself a hybrid of R. idaeus and R. strigosus and possibly other species, but it has a long breeding history, so I am considering it as it‘s own thing
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Ah okay, sorry, I’m still new to the literature and science of all of it
Some facts about Glencoe-
Except for a few nursery descriptions that describe it as ‘bushy’ or ‘everbearing’ it should be nearly the same as Brandywine or Royalty for the most part with long canes such as in its main parent Munger/Bristol.
Glencoe and Tulameen are some of the few that have been bred with Glen Prosen and probably our only opportunity to get that kind of breeding.
The part about the ‘not adapted to cold spring weather’ may be an issue for some…
All of its parents are floricane fruiting so i see no evidence other than nursery hype that it is ‘everbearing’.
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Have you grown glencoe and what’s your opinion on it? I don’t think I’ve read a post of your opinions on or i don’t remember if i did since i did a lot of reading recently
in my environment, Glencoe makes very long spindly canes and is floricane fruiting. For me the flavor was good but not as good as Brandywine
And to the person above saying there are no primocane fruiting black rasps - there is Niwot (although I read the flavor is not as good)
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Oh wow, thanks for the info about Niwot, I have never heard of that variety
I even found a primocane fruiting purple raspberry, Malling Passion 
but these varieties of primocanes on anything other than regular raspberry are still very recent developements and very few
What should I do with the first cane a primocane producing variety grows when I plant it?
Leave it.
If it’s diseased though or you have a bug infestation then cut it off and burn it.
Ohio’s Treasure which i discussed a few weeks ago when my hartmanns order came in. Bred by the same guy as Caroline, Wyeberry, Josephine etc. Good breeding and gene pool i think.
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noticed this in an old publication about Darrow:
What do they mean by secondary fruiting laterals? Still from the floricanes or are they describing a primocane fruiting variety from 80 years ago?
https://ecommons.cornell.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/e429af49-a609-4d23-86ea-b435fc7cb407/content
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The primocanes form laterals… which then the next season are fruiting laterals… Secondary lateral terminology isnt used often…i think Cornell used it… and i have seen it used in describing Ponca…when some fruiting laterals are injured it produces a secondary fruiting lateral.
Most of the U of Ark blackberries when they form berries they face upwards… but some like Darrow form clusters which hang down like grapes is the best i can describe it.
So a fruiting lateral that forms another fruiting lateral then flowers is the best that i can explain it.
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I noticed the Darrow leaves look very similar to Brison & Womack so I’m excited to taste the berries.
Do you grow Darrow? If so how are the berries to you?
I tried several different varities of blackberries. The primocane ones would fruit at the tips the first season like they should. However, the canes did not make it for the second season. Finally got the triple crown flouicane varity did so much better.
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No wow factor or anything…and they ripen over a long time so its not the wisest thing to plant here… a pint here a quart there…and by August i dont want to pick any due to SWD/yellowjackets… plus everything else is pretty much done or in the same state. Sometimes it will ripen into September.
I got mine at my local Menards…they sell it every year.
for the history nerds- Darrow didnt create the plant… Cornell did.
Darrow is a parent of Illini Hardy, Chester, Black Satin, Comanche and some of its siblings are Ouachita, Kiowa, Chickasaw and Sweetie Pie and maybe Apache and others.
Darrow [(Eldorado × Brewer) × Hedrick]
Ebony King is a better choice i think.
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I have a suspicion that late varieties will just fry in the sun here in Texas since that means they will be ripening when it’s 100 degrees
my Triple Crown and Victory started blooming a few days ago, and i saw Chester forming a flower bud finally. So those three will be the latest for me I believe. If they get fried again this year like last year, then I will try moving them all up against the fence for afternoon/evening shade, and hope that is enough
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this is a 1-year old Womack in-ground that is taller than me. I’ve already tipped it and tied it with a string to the wire to hold it up 
this is a 1-year old Brison in a Home Depot HDX container
The red ripening berries on Brison and Womack have some kind of translucent candy/jewel look to them that none of my other varieties have, it’s captivating to stare at
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