Does anyone know what newberry can hybridize with? Chromosome level wise. Cross back to a blackberry, raspberry, or something else?
Try Ohios Treasure and Black Delicious there. Both have very little fanfare as they arent mainstream. Would at least be nice to know if they are hardy there before they fade away from the nursery trade.
Both are very good here as well as Mac Black which not many folks discuss.
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i have 1 ohio treasure i planted as a plug in a bad spot on the orchard up the hill. it barely grew in 2 years. i wanted to move it to better ground, but forgot about it.
As far as I know it’s never been published what ploidy it has. However, most good guesses and its parentage suggest it’s 6x.
The easiest crosses would be with Tayberry, Loganberry, Boysenberry, Wyeberry, other West Coast 6x hybrid “blackberries” like the Columbia series, and the 6x true blackberries derived from Pacific blackberry. You could also attempt crosses with 2x species which may or may not be successful (waiting on some myself to see if they’re sterile or not).
Crossing with East Coast 4x blackberries would be more or less impossible unfortunately.
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Wow very cool. I appreciate the info. Where can I read more of your 2x x newberry potential hybrids?
I do have columbia star, tayberry, and Obsidian here, so I appreciate you putting me in the right direction.
Do you know what Galaxy has for ploidy by chance? Supposedly its eastern x western hybrid.
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Sorry, my post wasn’t clear, I have some 6x X 2x hybrid seedlings, but they’re Tayberry and Loganberry x raspberry. I now have Newberry but I haven’t used is in any crosses yet.
Galaxy I believe has Triple Crown and Navaho in its parentage despite being bred by the West Coast guys, so it’s probably tetraploid.
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Dang that is harsh news. Praýers up for you and your family. Strength and Success.
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Thats why i got my own White D Pineberries and obtained Wyeberry and Newberry etc. After asking for 5 years i had to find them elsewhere. I do thank you for mentioning them and sharing your photos… as it gave me the desire to have them for myself.
I still believe that some of these are worth spreading around as they are gone from anyone willing or able to share.
I am not the right person myself to bring them to the masses… as i am just mostly a hobbyist and my time is sparse for the most part.
I can handle sharing what i have to this small group… and if each person shares here and there eventually they wont become just words and pictures as they are mostly now on these forums and groups.
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Black Satin blackberries are just beginning to ripen here in New Zealand. There are some incredibly productive laterals on the 2 plants I have
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@Drew51 Those are some great looking plants!
Sorry to hear about your need for upcoming surgery. Best wishes for the speediest recovery possible.
I tried this for two years then gave up. I’ll try root cuttings next time!
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How do you describe the taste at your location? Obviously they are very productive.
Full of flavor and delicious if you like a little acid, but still too sour for some. These are grown in partial shade which may have an impact. The Mapua boysenberries alongside these are definitely sweeter, the Marahau Hybridberry further along sweeter again, and the Starlight Hybridberry even sweeter than that.
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Have you heard of Boysenberry #43 or Riwaka’s Choice Boysenberry where you are located?
I am growing some from cuttings as they seem to be one of the few brambles that do root more consistantly…
I enjoy the Black Satin and the acid… but the trend here in the US is just ‘sweet’ like Ponca.
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Yes to Riwakas Choice, no to the other. Have you heard of Harvey Hall? He’s spent decades breeding berries including Karaka Black and Shekinah Tahi, as well as many others I can’t recall. I was lucky enough to have him show me around his trial site last month and what an experience that was! Tasted many berry varieties that are not on the market, or almost impossible to get here (including Riwakas Choice)
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beautiful fruit! love the plate! visiting your country is on my bucket list before i die.
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Tahi is available here in the US. Karaka Black is not. As far as trailing varieties go we have much better trailing blackberries than most of the world.
Karaka was trialed by the Royal Horticultural Society and found to be lacking for the backyard grower… but ymmv of course.
Riwaka is available here via Roger Ort who worked for Cornell Univ and must have obtained plant material via the best routes of that time. I have a few plants going but have no idea if its better than classic Boysenberry or not.
I discussed it a year ago but its still early to report.
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Rookie question about propagating blackberries. This thread is quite long so I may have missed this. If someone is sending me blackberry cuttings now (January) and I live in MA (with cold winters),
- Can they be kept in the fridge until spring?
- Is there a best method to root them?
- Can I root them similarly to fig cuttings?
Thanks
- Yes… damp paper towel and a ziplock bag… the cuttings you receive may or may not need trimmed. Goal is to form a callus on the rooting end.
2)I like leaving them outside as they are naturally… when they break dormancy then the callus and lowest node should be full of energy to strike root. I like to use garlic on my cuttings as its a natural antiseptic. Some folks use some peroxide. Which leads to 2a.
2a) as there is probably not a ‘best way’ other than having a controlled enviroment, bottom heat then a greenhouse to support them once they break dormancy i choose the above method.
3)I have no idea how you root fig cuttings so i cant say for sure…there are many many methods to root figs.
The action that is needed is for roots to strike…then a crown will need to be formed…in which to support primocanes…so more going on with brambles than figs.
No nutrients are needed to form roots, sand or DE or pine fines are good… Peat and the potting mixes can hold too much moisture or bacterias etc…
Hormone can be a hinderance as Rubus have plenty of natural hormones… so if you are to use hormone the best method would probably not to dip all of them.
I have had my best success from pinching the bottom node with pliers then using garlic… the callus is much stronger due to the injury and the plants desire to root seems higher… although that is probably not the best science.
The hardest one i have rooted was Illini Hardy- I tried it indoors and out… It was 50 percent outdoors and about 25 percent indoors. However cuttings were taken in September and not in January.
Taking cuttings earlier can lead to more energy stored before it goes back down into the crown… Cuttings taken post dormancy will have less energy stored as it is in the crown and will not be sent back up until dormancy breaks and energy is needed for leaves, flowers then fruit etc.
If by chance you do root cuttings then you will have to deal with the floricane before it robs the energy of the newly formed root… which will need to be transferred to a nutrient medium.
Just my 2 cents.
Root cuttings are almost 100 percent success… and you just cut them and bury them and voila you have a new plant.
Root cuttings are where its at for propagation… for me.
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Interested in Amethyst purple raspberry. Not finding an in stock source. Anyone know of a source?
Jim Walla should still sell them.
If you want to get on the waiting list… PJ might carry them again.
I am waiting on Purple Dream to come back in stock.
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