Because in certain places it outcompetes the native vegetation to a point where it is just a giant monoculture. You can’t get rid of it because it just reseeds/resprouts from roots or from animals who ate the berries. I’ve seen wineberry behave like this in Shenandoah National Park. There are trails where the entire understory vegetation for huge swaths is just wineberry.
In my neighborhood it doesn’t do very well and so it’s not really a bother. I was surprised to see it on the invasive species list with a “high” risk in VA since it’s so anemic at my house. However, It also barely produces fruit here and is kind of blah when it does, so I can’t get really excited about keeping it around.
Also, regardless of its status, I’d be really, really, annoyed if I bought a named berry and I got a wineberry instead. I can get that on the side of the road, I don’t need to pay for it.
The seedlings from Mysore Black x Red Raspberry F1 x Purple Raspberry are looking good. This will be my last attempt to get Mysore genes into R. idaeus and R. occedentalis. The previous attempt to get Mysore genes into R.idaeus ended in a dead end of high sterility despite 2 backcrosses to red raspberry.
Also in Europe/Russia/New Zealand/Australia/Canada etc. Some reports from Russia list 15kg per plant (30lbs).
Black Satin is in my opinion for folks that want to make jam..not for fresh eating. Kind of like some pears and peaches are better for canning.
Black Satin is more sour than sweet.. or as i describe ‘tart’.
When i am eating jam i want Sour Cherry jam.. not Sweet Cherry jam. Same with blackberry.. i want that kick that a Ponca or Caddo do not give to it.
I think most nurseries lie about them or dont know themselves. They tout them as sweet and of course the growers find out the hard way after a few years and the cycle continues with bad reports.
This old note on them i think is the most accurate-
I’m not planning on ever making jam (unless it can be made with splenda I guess), but I certainly won’t mind having a few tart flavored berries mixed in with all the others in my back yard, especially if the flavor itself is good behind the tartness
Can confirm that the walmart near me in WV was also selling wineberry as “heritage” raspberry. The stems are very different from other boxes of the same variety at other stores under different brands or from nurseries.
Trailing wouldn’t be a good match for Kiowa though, it’s pretty erect. Maybe some of the older was coast varieties would be a closer match. He’s on a pretty cold zone too, I don’t think many U of Ark releases are very cold hardy.
That’s good to hear! I went on a short drive this past weekend out to my two closest Tractor Supply locations and one had bare root plants in but the other did not. It may be because the other is across the state line in Michigan. I will be following up with the Michigan location until they finally come in. They had some different varieties from the first store last year.
Either they are late with making changes to their website for availability or it’s intentional.
Their description sure makes it sound promising: “He sampled the whole 2 acres and found one seedling outstanding in the field. He sent a sample of the plant to Edible Landscaping. We’ve had it at the nursery for years an it has become a favorite of visitors.”
I have 3 plants… i am not sure if it will be offered again. They were for sale a few years and i dont think many people bought them.. just curious if anyone else on here gave them a try.
Apologies if this has been answered somewhere and I can’t find it- what raspberries are sufficiently thorny that deer don’t mow them down? Family wants a row in Annapolis. Unprotected and the deer there are ravenous. Never seen a bunny there. The house is on a circle that is filled with wild brambles that survive, but its too dense to walk through. I would probably throw some chicken wire cages over them just so they couldn’t be eaten while small/not that thorny.
The internet mentions Heritage as having bad thorns. Is that true? I would love to just transplant some of my Caroline, but I don’t think they are ferociously prickly enough?
They’ll eat new growth and also the leaves off of old tough stems. They don’t seem to care about the thorns. My clark’s blackberry (healthberry) is the only one without a 6-7 foot fence around it. It’s aggressive enough that it outgrows the deer. However, it spent the first 1.5 years with a cage around it.
