blackberries are very rare below z4 here. until recently blackberries were even smaller than wild raspberries here and almost nonexistent…
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I’m a good distance from the New England area… The pictures of the spines of those are considerably different as well. Those look similar to what I see on wineberries, well kind of. Anyway, perhaps this is what is commonplace in eastern Tennessee? Rubus allegheniensis - Wikipedia
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my fault… i thought u were up north.
Most of the natives around here are the Allegheny Blackberry but i have found a few oddball Pennsylvania Blackberries and i have them going now here on the farm. They are different in the fact that they seem to be more prolific…and put on a much better flower show and fruit load. When you see one you will know. Fruits arent so much round but a little longer and skinny. Very cool plant.
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Appreciate the replies. Wild blackberries sound like the wild raspberries around here; they’re everywhere and about 1 in 5 years they’re large and wonderful. The other 4 they’re small and really not very good.
The Nelson looks promising.
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@krismoriah … i watched the Ark dude on youtube… has a vid on PAH.
He said in Ark… fcane crop ripens late June for 25 days or so. That is a little late for me SWD wise.
The primocane crop can start in August and fruit into Sept, possibly early October if weather conditions are favorable.
Might be worth growing them just for the pcane crop.
Do you have blooms or berries for fall pcane crop yet?
The berries in your pic above… were those fcane ? Or pcane ?
Nice looking blackberries.
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Primocane…Im eating them now… they started ripening here last week.
Mine are fairly young… planted them last year.
They are calling these semi-thornless.
Very nice fresh eating berry.
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I think he is zone 6 in Ontario
Looks like a secondary fruiting lateral to me. Dark green leaves are an indicator. Light green leaves would indicate primocane.
Or you have a new cultivar.
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Probably just a camera/lighting thing. First floricane berries ripe first of June.
Mid August these are definitely fruiting on a primocane. The lighter green cane on top, this year’s growth from the crown. The floricane is much darker and the leaves are darker and look more “dull” than the primocane leaves.
Purchased 2019 from Pense as “Jewel” and it’s never done this before. The tip-rooted ones all around it are not fruiting either. So probably a fluke but I’m hopeful it repeats this in the future!
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@wdingus … black raspberries (everbearing) here at my place seem to be a little confused … and unshure exactly when they should fruit.
They get the spring crop right… but as far as fruiting correctly in the fall… they are all out of whack. Someone earlier said that could be because of not enough chill hours.
Evidently blacks have higher chill requirements than reds and golds.
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“Jewel is known to occasionally produce a fruiting primocane in some of the southern states. However, Jewel is a long way from being reliably primocane fruiting.
It could also be that what you are seeing is a “crown lateral”, which is a fruiting lateral that is originating from the crown area instead of a floricane or else very low down on a floricane. (Terminology is from H. K. Hall, a breeder in New Zealand.) A crown lateral can occur on any black raspberry variety if the floricane is mowed down or injured in the spring. The differentiation between crown lateral and fruiting primocane can be difficult with 100% certainty until the following winter, when a crown lateral dies and a primocane survives to the next spring as a floricane. I’ve been fooled on more than one occasion. I suppose there could be an easy way to tell in the summer, but I haven’t found one yet.
Unless you are in the really deep south with a much earlier season than what I’m used to, then, based on the flowering schedule, I’m thinking that what you are seeing may well be a crown lateral.”
Jim Ballington NC state breeder.
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Lucky me, I discovered there are actually two Jewel plants with primocane berries. Or crown laterals or whatever they are… Suppose next spring if they’re dead and gone, or start leaving out, will tell the tale. In the meantime I’ll enjoy a handful or two of black raspberries, in late August 
Now it’s on to the next thing, powdery mildew wreaking havoc on my blackberry plants. It’s not as hot/humid here as the far south, but it’s been pretty intense this year.
Typical growth for a Herritage Red… this was a root shoot early spring and i dug it up and transplanted it to a spot that i had no raspberries.
I have it supported with a fiberglass rod and when it grew to the top of that… i tipped it. It has 5 nice fruiting laterals now and is breaking out in blossoms. Fruit from this one Sept, Oct.
Next summer it will send up several root shoots which i will keep the best of. Very easy to spread the reds around.
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Are the raspberry/blackberry leaves deer resistant? I’m protect young plants with chicken wire but won’t be able to do that once they get taller and wider.
No. They are deer attractant.
After your first full stripping of your plants you will get mad… and build something better…
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@Fishsauce … i woukd say it depends on what all else your deer have to eat. I have been growing raspberries since 2020 here in TN and have around 100 raspberry canes now.
Not once have deer even browsed on my raspberry leaves… or blackberry or loganberry.
They do hit my gerardi mulberry… and have to walk right by lots of raspberries to get to it.
In locations where deer are over populated or have food shortages… they will quickly drop down from their preferred food sources and eat just about anything… including tree bark.
Here my deer must have plenty to eat in my woods and fields… they do not eat raspberry or any of the hundreds of other things I grow… with the exception of mulberry… oh yes… and occasionally strawberry leaves…
And yes… i do have plenty of deer here.
I eat several of them each year… those small ones are delicious and tender.
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Sacrificial crop for deer… They’ll walk past everything else to get to mulberry leaves.
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my goats love the excess pruned primocanes i feed them.