Doug, I see Marta has scion of padus x cerasus, probably a Michurin hybrid. Possible sour type cherry compatible with your chokecherry rootstock?
I tried both stella and bing on wild black cherry, all the grafts failed. Is there an interim for wild black cherry that’s compatible with cultivated cherry varieties?
That’s a cool hybrid, it could work as an interstem between plums to cherries like adara but more cold hardy. Someone would have to try it, I’m going to guess that if it’s being offered then it’s not sterile and has some kind of interesting fruit. Most of these hybrids get lost to time. I know you can graft some sour cherry and it’s hybrids (P. cerasus) like the romance cherries or evans onto pin cherry, (Prunus pensylvanica), and I grew some sweet cherry grafts on pin cherry this summer, but none of those will grow directly on chokecherry.
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Thank you for sharing your results. I find your success with Toka to be really interesting.
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I found something cool today, an account from 1887 in the michigan horticultural society that one of the parents of Toka, the Chinese apricot plum Prunus simonii grows quite well on chokecherry. Starting to make more sense that Toka stands out. It’s hardy to zone 6, someone in a warmer location should try Simonii or it’s hybrids, it’s been used in breeding for other plums.
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Thank you for the follow up. @svr68 sent me some americana this year. My goal was to use as an interstem to top work sweet cherry onto a established aprioct tree.
But as I’m still having NO luck getting anything to survive more than a few months on chokecherry - this provides an avenue to a possible solution.
I’ll graft onto the apricot and let it grow out there and on own root for this next year and then use scion wood as interstems. Should open up a whole new realm of possibilities.
Thanks.
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If i ever found anything that would work i would have aa gold mine! It will never happen in my opinion. I am very thorough when i try to do something. Making 100 + attempts that is no small effort.
Im wishing and hoping!
I can try toka directly. Pretty sure i have toka already. Prunus simonii being one parent makes it sound possible.
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"It is an unusual hybrid plum, resulting from a cross between the cold-hardy rugged native American plum and a Chinese plum species called Prunus "
Bob purvis usually has toka scions. Bob is a bonified apricot expert. Think he is still involved with NAFEX.
Dont hold Bob to 2015 pricing
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I have also Toka scions available but only inside Canada, most of the grafts I made grew like crazy and I want to trim almost all of them back for interstems. One thing to note is that Hansen released other cultivars in the same generation as Toka, more seedlings from the same crosses with Simoni. It’s possible that some of these are still around.
https://openprairie.sdstate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1236&context=agexperimentsta_bulletins
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Those old bulletins and yearly horticultural society meetings contain lots of excellent information and discussions. Oldest I remember was 1840’s, a fellow telling how sweet cherry scions he buried in fall and overlooked were still viable for grafting in June/July of the next year.
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More named hybrids, wish they were available in USA. This is probably machine-translated, somewhat garbled.
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