Cherry Training System & Rootstock

Hello everyone, I’m new to the form but I’ve been reading a lot of the posts here over the last few weeks and didn’t find any info on this.

Does anyone have any experience with cherry varieties Regina or Sunburst on Colt rootstock (Zone 8a and rather clay soil)? If yes, what kind of training system works best for each?

I recently planted Sunburst and Regina and would like to keep the tree height as low as possible. I was thinking training as Spanish Bush (I wanted KGB but according to Greg Lang from University of Michigan, KGB doesn’t work well for Regina because the variety produces most cherries on the base of shoots grown from last year, which in KGB would get cut away). However, I’ve also read that Spanish Bush (or its cousin KGB) don’t work well regardless of variety unless one is in a very warm climate (e.g. Australia); it doesn’t work well because if not super warm and when pruning the leaders don’t get renewed as planed.

Basically, would Colt have enough power for Spanish Bush (or KGB) in Zone 8a?

I’m seeing that hardiness zone 8a in the United States is characterized by relatively cold winters (with light winter frosts) and warm summers, which is exactly what cherry trees like.
Let’s start with the Colt rootstock.
It’s a rootstock I have because I receive cherry trees from various nurseries in Central Europe grafted onto Colt, but I can’t plant them in my orchard due to one problem: it’s a rootstock that requires a lot of irrigation.
As for Colt, it’s a rootstock that adapts well to all soil types.

Now for your questions about structure training systems (KGB or Spanish Bush).
I have cherry trees trained with both types of structure , and I almost prefer the Spanish Bush system.

The question you have is that since you have very hot summers, you have to do pruning to shape the tree’s structure during the vegetative stage, during spring and summer. You’re afraid that high temperatures will slow the tree’s growth and prevent it from responding well to summer pruning, but that’s not how it works.

Traditionally, pruning to shape the tree’s structure was done in winter during the dormant stage, but it was found that doing it this way took the tree at least 10 years to enter production. For this reason, the cherry tree’s response to pruning during the vegetative stage was studied, and very interesting results were obtained. Pruning during the vegetative stage reduces the time it takes for the tree to form its structure and enter production to 4 or 5 years.

Therefore, pruning during the winter dormancy stage is considered weakening and induces fruiting once the tree is formed. Pruning during the vegetative stage is considered invigorating, as the tree responds to the cutting of each branch by producing at least two or three new branches per cut.

Tips to keep in mind:

  • When a young tree is a single shoot and taller than one and a half meters, it must be decapitated at a height of between 40 and 50 centimeters, and it will respond to this pruning by producing at least three primary branches.

  • The first pruning of the primary branches will be very short, taking the highest branch as a reference, cutting it to 15 centimeters (leaving at least 3 or 4 buds below the cut for sprouting), and aligning the remaining branches at that cut height.

Don’t trust tutorials that indicate that branches can be pruned when they are 60 centimeters long. It’s better to let them grow a little longer, up to 70 centimeters, as these branches will be more vigorous and will respond to pruning by producing more shoots, which is what you’re aiming for.
When pruning during the vegetative stage, it’s necessary to water well. If you have a fertilizer with amino acids or seaweed extracts, apply them during the watering process, as they help promote faster sprouting.

Ask any questions you may have.

Best regards
Jose

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Hi Jose, thank you for the detailed response.

I’m actually in the Cologne area of Germany (which according to some sites is rated as Zone 8a). What I am actually worried about is shown on this video:

Around minute 11:35 Greg describes exactly the issue. The idea is to cut 20% of main leaders each year so after 5 years they have all been renewed, but he doesn’t get renewal of the main leaders (granted he’s on Gisela 5).
Question 1: Would I have the same issue in my zone with Colt?

I don’t recall where I read it, but the article said that KGB and Spanish Bush make sense only with strong rootstock and in warm areas with lots of sun (e.g. Australia, and I guess Spain) because then you’re ensured that you’ll get renewal leaders. Otherwise you don’t get renewal leaders and instead the tree just get taller.

Below is my tree as of today. The red lines are the primary shoots growing this year (they’re all well over 70 cm, one is almost 1 meter). The blue lines are the lateral shoots that are also growing this year (lots of vigor I guess). I’m waiting for a few dry days in the forecast so I can give it a summer prune. The problem, I don’t know which training system (KGB, maybe Vogel Central Leader).

Question 2: If I wanted to train it as KGB or Spanish Bush, how can I lower its height? The first branch is over 1.2 m (I didn’t pick the tree and it was given to me like this).
2a) would scoring work?
2b) as a last resort I’m thinking of letting it grow this season to get energy and then cut the stem in the spring of next year and graft it about 40-50 cm as Jose suggested. Does anyone have any better ideas?
2c) I could train it as it is as " high KGB" , but that would be silly. If I were to train it as another system, is now a good time to prune it?

Does anyone have any feedback to my post above?